Voiding the Compact

[Pyxie]

Ok, I know we only have 15 days to go, so I'm going to throw something out here, that has been bugging me...

I know that some think that maybe Darroc killed Alina, but I don't think he did.(even JB told Mac not to assume)

Remember in Dark Highlander after QA comes out of the council meeting, and states that they are going to do the Trial by Blood, and wipe out Dageus' whole line? Adam remindes QA that if they did that the Compact would be void. Voiding the Compact on their end would bring down the walls between man and Fae, Adam also knew that there were members on the council that wanted this. Wanted to go back to the old ways. So my question(s) is...yes, I'm getting there sorry!

Do you think it was Alina's death that brought down the wall? If Darroc killed her, it wouldn't have voided the compact, because he's human now.

So, could a high council member have ordered her death, someone that's working with Darroc from the shadows? Someone with the power to control shades and hunters?

[MeShelle]

Its possible but i dont think that brought down the walls because Mac is still alive...So if the end of their blood (o'Conner) would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for that to happen....In Dark they were going to wipe out the whole line... Meaning everyone of that blood... So if the o'conner line being deminished would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for it to happen and thats not counting the possibility of another O'Conner being out there.

[Piscesbaby4]

:33:You've made a very good conclusion.... I think that Alina's death could've been cause for the broken compact and the release of the Unseelie by Darroc(or who i believe is the Lord Master) ...but i get the feeling that the Unseelie were being freed before her death.... Could be wrong. I dont think it really ever says. But Alina's death could be the very cause of chaos in Dublin. Man, you guys think of just about everything!

[jaycee]

But that would have been if Alina had broken the contract(her line would have been destroyed)It didn't say that would happen if one of the fae broke it.Adam tried a couple of times in Hawks story to break the contract (by killing the Hawk)

[desertwolf]

Having Darroc as the bad guy already is kind of conveniant. It's possible. The walls are coming down, aren't they? They're not completely down yet?

Sounds interesting - but who would it be?

[MeShelle]

Having Darroc as the bad guy already is kind of conveniant. It's possible. The walls are coming down, aren't they? They're not completely down yet?

Sounds interesting - but who would it be?

That would be the question wouldnt it:33:

[Pyxie]

Its possible but i dont think that brought down the walls because Mac is still alive...So if the end of their blood (o'Conner) would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for that to happen....In Dark they were going to wipe out the whole line... Meaning everyone of that blood... So if the o'conner line being deminished would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for it to happen and thats not counting the possibility of another O'Conner being out there.


Good Point, but in Dark Trial By Blood doesn't include Dageus, just the rest of his line. He would be the only remaining MacKeltar.

I thought that in one of the earlier books it was mentioned that part of the compact meant Fae would not hunt or kill humans. So I was wondering if a Fae taking any human life would be the catalyst that would bring the walls down by voiding the compact. And unfortunately Alina was set up to be that catalyst.

Alina's death is almost to 'neat' - like she was lead to go to Ireland. Maybe she was Darroc's personal OOP detector. (she was in love, trusted him at first) Darroc steps in. Gains her trust, notifies the council that things are proceeding, they kill her to bring down the walls. Then wait for Mac to come to Ireland so they can use her to finish what they started.

I feel like there is something just outside of my reach, that I am missing and it's driving me crazy. :33: :52:

[Vivid Confusion]

In Dark (I'm reading it now), the Compact is renegotiated. Negotiations imply that there is more than one or two details in the thing and it could have been voided or broken by any number of other things in the Compact that were not kept.

Remember, it would have been voided only because both sides had broken their obligations as stated under the Compact (I just read that part). The human portion was supposedly from the Dageus using the Stones for what the Fae claimed was his personal gain. The Fae have more rules as well, and their not living in the human world or spilling human blood are probably just two of many. Silvan is a good negotiator from what it sounded like and I'm betting he struck a hard bargin.

Viv.

[Chakacool]

I think part of the reason the walls are coming down is because Queen A is MIA. At the very beginning of the Dark Mac stated that she doesn't even know if Queen A 'IS' any more. Maybe that has something to do with it. Also, we have Darroc fully versed in all things Fae, being that he was one. As a Fae he was able to bring forth some Hunters in Immortal when he went after Adam. So I feel that with the Dark Book he is able to supercede some of the Compact Rules since he's now human. He's not doing anything wrong by hunting them per se, but he is able to control them and command them. He's turned from Psycho Fae to Psycho Human. I can imagine he would be one to kill them because he never liked humans to begin with.

I also believe there is some higher evil being that is probably orchestrating this whole thing....

But this just occurred to me... So far we've only see the Unseelie Fae, with the exclusion of V'lane because we don't know which side he belongs on, but it doesn't appear that the Seelie Fae are running amok through the streets of Ireland, so I'm imagining that the compact may not be void because of Fae/Human side breaking it... Who says that the Unseelie ever agreed? They were banished to their frozen prision. If the MacKeltar keep up the ritual's the walls should hold.... because the Unseelie were never held to the agreement they we're imprisioned indefinitely and obviously thought to be quite securely.

[Danielle42]

:33:You've made a very good conclusion.... I think that Alina's death could've been cause for the broken compact and the release of the Unseelie by Darroc(or who i believe is the Lord Master)

I have a question about Darroc and the scene whwre he is releasing the Unseelie -

If he (Darroc) is human and not a sidhe-seer (I am in the camp of those who I believe only women are), then how can he see the beasties he is releasing into the world?

Also, who is working with him on the Fae side? I think he would have to have Seelie accomplices. Think it's still Mael (the Queen's consort)? The end of Immortal seems to imply that the Queen and others were wise to the traitor in their midst - but perhaps they were only referring to Darroc and they are still unaware that Mael turned traitor as well?

[Danielle42]

Its possible but i dont think that brought down the walls because Mac is still alive...So if the end of their blood (o'Conner) would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for that to happen....In Dark they were going to wipe out the whole line... Meaning everyone of that blood... So if the o'conner line being deminished would bring down the walls, mac would have to die for it to happen and thats not counting the possibility of another O'Conner being out there.

I think that the murder of ANY human by a Fae would void the Compact, and bring down the walls (as Adam almost did in Beyond with Hawk) - I don't think it takes wiping out an entire line of humans.

[Danielle42]

I know that some think that maybe Darroc killed Alina, but I don't think he did.(even JB told Mac not to assume)




I didn't remember that but it makes sense. I agree it's a little too convenient that Darroc killed her.

I think she was actually killed by Hunters (hence the horrible shape of her body when she died), but who ordered it?

Hmmm....

[MeShelle]

Good Point, but in Dark Trial By Blood doesn't include Dageus, just the rest of his line. He would be the only remaining MacKeltar.

I thought that in one of the earlier books it was mentioned that part of the compact meant Fae would not hunt or kill humans. So I was wondering if a Fae taking any human life would be the catalyst that would bring the walls down by voiding the compact. And unfortunately Alina was set up to be that catalyst.

Alina's death is almost to 'neat' - like she was lead to go to Ireland. Maybe she was Darroc's personal OOP detector. (she was in love, trusted him at first) Darroc steps in. Gains her trust, notifies the council that things are proceeding, they kill her to bring down the walls. Then wait for Mac to come to Ireland so they can use her to finish what they started.

I feel like there is something just outside of my reach, that I am missing and it's driving me crazy. :33: :52:.

They couldnt personally kill the humans but that doesnt mean that they couldnt get some one else to kill them... If you tink back to Hawks story Adam was the cause for the gypsy girl(dont remember her name) to die... He didnt personaly do it but because of what he said he got them to kill her knowing that by him saying anything they were going to kill her...Yet i dont think that Darroc was personaly the one to kill her... But let say he did that shouldnt bring down the walls because he is no longer fae, hes human...Yet i dont think he killed her because i do agrre with you that he was using her as his personal OOP detector... Yet i dont think that they knew about mac because if you notice they got surprized when mac said she was alinas sister and they saw that she was a null... Good theorys tho

[MeShelle]

Originally Posted by Danielle42
I think that the murder of ANY human by a Fae would void the Compact, and bring down the walls (as Adam almost did in Beyond with Hawk) - I don't think it takes wiping out an entire line of humans.

Right i get what your saying but even if Darroc did kill her, he is no longer fae, he is human.... And if you remember with Adam in Hawks story, he was the reason the gypsy girl died... He didnt personally kill her but he told on her and was the cause of her death... No one would of not known nothing if he would of not said anything... So with that being said... They (fae) can just trick or get someone be it human i suppose to kill the one in there way... and by them not personally killing them the contract cant void itself...

[Danielle42]

Originally Posted by Danielle42
I think that the murder of ANY human by a Fae would void the Compact, and bring down the walls (as Adam almost did in Beyond with Hawk) - I don't think it takes wiping out an entire line of humans.

Right i get what your saying but even if Darroc did kill her, he is no longer fae, he is human.... And if you remember with Adam in Hawks story, he was the reason the gypsy girl died... He didnt personally kill her but he told on her and was the cause of her death... No one would of not known nothing if he would of not said anything... So with that being said... They (fae) can just trick or get someone be it human i suppose to kill the one in there way... and by them not personally killing them the contract cant void itself...


Good point ('bout the getting others to do it...)

Given the description of Alina's body, it sounds like she was killed by Hunter's. I wonderif the Compact includes Unseelies too? I believe the Unseelies were imprisoned by the Seelies. If they (the Seelies) were responsible for releasing them and ordering the death of a human, the Compact would be void - but what if they got out on their own or with the help of a human (Darroc)? Would that still void the Compact?

[Danielle42]

Originally Posted by Danielle42
I think that the murder of ANY human by a Fae would void the Compact, and bring down the walls (as Adam almost did in Beyond with Hawk) - I don't think it takes wiping out an entire line of humans.

Right i get what your saying but even if Darroc did kill her, he is no longer fae, he is human.... And if you remember with Adam in Hawks story, he was the reason the gypsy girl died... He didnt personally kill her but he told on her and was the cause of her death... No one would of not known nothing if he would of not said anything... So with that being said... They (fae) can just trick or get someone be it human i suppose to kill the one in there way... and by them not personally killing them the contract cant void itself...


Good point ('bout the getting others to do it...)

Given the description of Alina's body, it sounds like she was killed by Hunters. I wonder if the Compact includes Unseelies too? I believe the Unseelies were imprisoned by the Seelies. If they (the Seelies) were responsible for releasing them and ordering the death of a human, the Compact would be void - but what if they got out on their own or with the help of a human (Darroc)? Would that still void the Compact?

[Danielle42]

Oops - sorry 'bout the double-post - must have hit the submit button a bit too eagerly...

[MeShelle]

Good point ('bout the getting others to do it...)

Given the description of Alina's body, it sounds like she was killed by Hunters. I wonder if the Compact includes Unseelies too? I believe the Unseelies were imprisoned by the Seelies. If they (the Seelies) were responsible for releasing them and ordering the death of a human, the Compact would be void - but what if they got out on their own or with the help of a human (Darroc)? Would that still void the Compact?

I was thinking the same thinh about if unseelies kill humans if the compact is voided...:33:...I was thinking if Darroc has the book and he is "human" if the book contains some way to let out the unseelie because that would explain alot... Yet i cant remember who but if im not mistaken and my head isnt playing games with me some one said that as the walls grow thinner it is easier for the unseelie to excape...:33:Because that also might be how some got out.

[Chakacool]

I don't think that Alina's death is the cause for the thinning walls. Only because the shades have been around longer than Alina was in Ireland. She was there for less than a year, a school year and she died during it. So, how many have the Shades killed over time as they ate up parts of the city? I think when I stated the Unseelie aren't held to the compact the way the Seelie are, I believe it's because Queen A dictated the Compact and all under her command would obey it. As for the Unseelie, the King never held any such agreement nor would he ever be so foolish to do so, being Unseelie and all. I think because the Seelie thought the Unseelie were imprisioned they held no power and weren't included in the Compact. Plus who is to say that Queen A could control them, we know from Into the Dreaming that the Queen is less powerful than the Unseelie King.

[Piscesbaby4]

Even though Darro is human, I'm not sure the queen really stripped him of all his powers. It says she did and what she did to Darroc "could not be undone"... BUT I think towards the end of Spell she makes a comment along the lines of thinking she should undo what she did to Adam (I think its Spell, correct me if I'm wrong). SO...who knows?!? I do think there is someone helping Darroc....the unseelie king or Mael...so many things to think about!

~M

[Pyxie]

If he (Darroc) is human and not a sidhe-seer (I am in the camp of those who I believe only women are), then how can he see the beasties he is releasing into the world?

I have been wondering this myself, 'cause in Immortal, Adam couldn't even see Fae, QA had stripped him of that ability. So you'd think it would be the same with Darroc. I don't think QA would be so kind with a traitor! :33:

[Pyxie]

I don't think that Alina's death is the cause for the thinning walls. Only because the shades have been around longer than Alina was in Ireland. She was there for less than a year, a school year and she died during it. So, how many have the Shades killed over time as they ate up parts of the city? I think when I stated the Unseelie aren't held to the compact the way the Seelie are, I believe it's because Queen A dictated the Compact and all under her command would obey it. As for the Unseelie, the King never held any such agreement nor would he ever be so foolish to do so, being Unseelie and all. I think because the Seelie thought the Unseelie were imprisioned they held no power and weren't included in the Compact. Plus who is to say that Queen A could control them, we know from Into the Dreaming that the Queen is less powerful than the Unseelie King.

:2v-vi:
Great observations! I bet you're right about the shades consuming the city before Alina was killed.

[melissa]

Okay - my thoughts.

1. Killing Daegus wouldn't have ended his line, because he wasn't the last MacKeltar. His father was still alive (and obviously capable of siring more children.) Drustan was still alive also, just sleeping in the tower (or cave).

2. Killing Alina wouldn't have anything to do with the compact - she is an O'Connor, which doensn't have any relation to the MacKeltars (one family is Irish, one is Scots), that we know of at this time.

3. In Immortal - Gabby sees hunters chasing her, which means the wall are already down, or coming down and Unseelie are already out. I think we have pretty much decided on a timeline with Spell being about 5 1/2 years before BF - and since Immortal comes before Spell, the walls would be breached well before Alina's death.

4. I don't think that Darroc has the book. (If he did - things would be much worse than they currently are.) And I don't think he is the one calling all the shots. (Don't really have a reason for that - just think his being human negates his being able to control and lead the Unseelie hoard. I think he is working for someone else. The real Lord Master - who I don't think we have met yet.)

[MeShelle]

I agree about him not calling the shots... I do think he is the Lord Master BUT... I think he is taking orders from some one (like a fae... Unseelie my thoughts)

[*Jo*]

1.) Alina's body IF I remember correctly resembled something that a wild animal had gotten a hold of. Punctures. There's just not enough information to say the HUNTERS/fae did this. Malluce/undead/not fae could have easily tortured her. Repeatedly. Aren't vampires supposed to have very long nails ? Could he not bite Alina repeatedly and not drink ? YES. A human/vampire would not be FAE and the contract therefore would not be broken.

2.) The Unseelie WERE introduced in IMMORTAL. Long before DF.
The walls are supposedly thinning but not down. They are sneaking out....I don't DOUBT that.
I believe the Unseelie King knows of this & is setting up the trap to reclaim QA IF he is able to find where SHE is hiding. (In Alina's body I believE. The Unseelie king is using this situation to his advantage...

3.)King Finnbeara would have motive enough to punish QA...
He could very well be the accomplice that DARROC has.
KF would also be on the same council in IMMORTAL where Adam sentences Darroc...Mael was not mentioned to be part of the council. HE was summonds by QA...for his punishment.
MUCH later this same fae Mael is QA's consort.

4.) Unseelie King has a motive to punish QA...
He could very well be Darroc's accomplice also.
QA twice escaped his domain. He wants her. He lusts her. He wants to possess her. THIS and alot more was INTO THE DREAMING. Starting on page 4 onward.
There is a well used quote , "That a man in lust, is a man in love."
Unseelie King had been described as carrying QA in his well built arms, against his massive cold well defined chest, chiseled face, leather wings, somehow to me, and I may be stretching it some BUT will say...cradeled protectively.

I bet if Karen Marie wrote he wore a kilt, the d*mn thing would have been tented, BIG TOP size with a massive erection too...hard as stone throbbing. BUT KMM did not mention that. IT was left unsaid but not UNTHOUGHT of...

[claudia celestial girl]

I don't think that Alina's death is the cause for the thinning walls. Only because the shades have been around longer than Alina was in Ireland. She was there for less than a year, a school year and she died during it. So, how many have the Shades killed over time as they ate up parts of the city? I think when I stated the Unseelie aren't held to the compact the way the Seelie are, I believe it's because Queen A dictated the Compact and all under her command would obey it. As for the Unseelie, the King never held any such agreement nor would he ever be so foolish to do so, being Unseelie and all. I think because the Seelie thought the Unseelie were imprisioned they held no power and weren't included in the Compact. Plus who is to say that Queen A could control them, we know from Into the Dreaming that the Queen is less powerful than the Unseelie King.

2.) The Unseelie WERE introduced in IMMORTAL. Long before DF.
The walls are supposedly thinning but not down. They are sneaking out....I don't DOUBT that.

I've said this before, but remember that the Lord Master, the former Darroc, as Darroc in Immortal, was already preparing to bring down the walls and unleash the Unseelie prison on the human world. That was the promise by which he got the Hunters to go after Adam, and to do his bidding. So this plan to usurp Queen A, unite with the Unseelie, and bring down the walls (returning to the 'old' ways?) has been Darroc's purpose for a long time, long before he became human.

If the walls were completely down, then the isle of Morar would rise up in the middle of Ireland (or wherever), so I don't think the walls are completely down in DF, maybe not even in BF. I get the feeling that Alina's death might have broken the Compact (between Human and Fae, not between MacKeltar and Fae - the Mackeltar's only maintain the Compact), because it was the taking of a human life by a Fae. I can't reconcile that with the fact that the walls are evidently not completely down yet. Maybe a single violation of the Compact does not void it? Like when Daegus went through, that didn't void the Compact? OK, yes it did, didn't it?

hmmm. OK, I have to do some more thinking.

[MeShelle]

See Jo i knew you would have ideas to post....And im almost sure Darroc didnt kill her because he was using hre as his OOP detector he really didnt have any means to... But i believe some did have her killed but dont ask me who yet because im working on that

[Pyxie]

I've said this before, but remember that the Lord Master, the former Darroc, as Darroc in Immortal, was already preparing to bring down the walls and unleash the Unseelie prison on the human world. That was the promise by which he got the Hunters to go after Adam, and to do his bidding. So this plan to usurp Queen A, unite with the Unseelie, and bring down the walls (returning to the 'old' ways?) has been Darroc's purpose for a long time, long before he became human.

Yes, this has been his purpose all along, that is why I do NOT think he was the one who killed Alina, I think it would need to be a Fae to void their side of the Compact and thin the walls. Maybe making it easier to breach the Unseelie prision walls.


If the walls were completely down, then the isle of Morar would rise up in the middle of Ireland (or wherever), so I don't think the walls are completely down in DF, maybe not even in BF. I get the feeling that Alina's death might have broken the Compact (between Human and Fae, not between MacKeltar and Fae - the Mackeltar's only maintain the Compact), because it was the taking of a human life by a Fae.

This could very likely be the case in Faefever (the Isle of Morar rises) maybe BF, we'll find out soon!



I can't reconcile that with the fact that the walls are evidently not completely down yet. Maybe a single violation of the Compact does not void it? Like when Daegus went through, that didn't void the Compact? OK, yes it did, didn't it?

No. Not completely voided...

Because Dageus broke his oath, voiding the MacKeltars side of the Compact - in my original post, I mentioned that Adam convinced QA not to do the Trail By Blood and destroy everyone in Dageus family but him. I think the minute they killed any human (even though in Dark it would have started with the Mackeltars) The Fae side of the Compact would have also been broken, completely voiding the entire compact. I think this is why QA renegotiated the Compact with Silvan again, not just to remind the Mackeltars Fae are real, but to clear up the thinning walls from Dageus broken oath.

Hmm... so then can we assume that the Fae side is voided in DF and they now need a human to void the remaining side to finish bringing down the walls? Maybe this is what Darroc meant when he said they would use Mac to finish what they started. But they would have to get her to do it unknowingly - :33: I wonder if that is where V'lane comes in? This is highly speculative though...

[Chakacool]

One thing that we're missing and I was missing it too for a long time until I just thought about it is....

The Unseelie aren't just passing through the thin veil to get through, Darroc had to build and open a door for them to get in. They can't come in on their own, nor does it seem they can leave, not that they want to. I don't think the Compact is voided at this point. Because the Keltar can't break their half anymore, they can't time travel. But remember in Immortal where Adam told them to wait so they could summon Queen Abby. The walls are still holding. I don't think the Compact can be voided by the Unseelie. (You can see my previous comments to that in the post) They didn't agree to the compact so to them there is no compact.

[Piscesbaby4]

Desciptions of Darroc in Immotal and DF are damn close to being that same all except for the mention of his eyes in DF. No doubt in my mind that Darroc is Alina "boyfriend"....but still thinking about the role he plays withthe Lord Master.

Lack of eyes description leads me to believe that is possible Darroc is no longer human possibly fae....
Spell: Queen A: "Though the loss of Adam Black to his mortal mate grieved her, and she's considered undoing that as well...." (this still has me thinking about a lot of other things)
Possibly, the Unseelie King turned him back, IF that is all possible and I'm thinking it is based on QA's "thought" about Adam.

IF he is still human and is not the Lord Master, I do think he definitly plays a big role in the hunt for the Dark Book and releasing the Unseelie.

Its quite possbile, if Alina is dead, Darroc might be also, just based on the description of the way he and Alina look at each other in the photos Mac finds. JB is hiding something for sure when Mac asked him for the pics of her sister she took and I think he took them for what reason, dont know yet.

So many thoughts, I really dont know what to think.. Alina could be alive....

The compact was resealed in DarkHighlander when QA vistied Silvan in the 17th century, it doesn't quite say what the new compact states....

Well, I think thats all the thinking I can do for now.

Thanks
~M

[Vivid Confusion]

Spell: Queen A: "Though the loss of Adam Black to his mortal mate grieved her, and she's considered undoing that as well...." (this still has me thinking about a lot of other things)
Possibly, the Unseelie King turned him back, IF that is all possible and I'm thinking it is based on QA's "thought" about Adam.

IF he is still human and is not the Lord Master, I do think he definitly plays a big role in the hunt for the Dark Book and releasing the Unseelie.

Its quite possbile, if Alina is dead, Darroc might be also, just based on the description of the way he and Alina look at each other in the photos Mac finds. JB is hiding something for sure when Mac asked him for the pics of her sister she took and I think he took them for what reason, dont know yet.

So many thoughts, I really dont know what to think.. Alina could be alive....

The compact was resealed in DarkHighlander when QA vistied Silvan in the 17th century, it doesn't quite say what the new compact states....




Whoa Whoa Whoa! Just a second here. You hit something with that concept about the reversal of Darroc's curse.

What happens to a human given the elixir for immortality? They lose their soul. Why? Because immortality and the immortal soul are mutually exclusive--they can't coexist. Tuatha De do not have souls for that reason.

Ok. What's so horrible about Darroc's curse? He is mortal, yeah. But he is mortal without a soul. That's what's so shocking about the anomaly of Adam--he gets a soul.

Going further still...

Why can't a Future and Past person exist in the same time frame? It has to do with the division of the soul, doesn't it? That there is one entity--one soul--that ties them together and can't be split in the same spacetime. That's why Drustan can remember the future once the memory spell is recited. It is the same DNA on a soul level. Isn't that right? One immortal entity of a soul that lets them reconnect. It's why the 13 Druids inhabiting Daegus change him so significantly that he does occupy the same time frame as his past pre-possession self; he has those extra souls of the imprisoned Draghar that change what his physical being is enough to keep it from being the same Daegus.


Now. Let me put all this together.

QA = Fae without a soul. Immortal. Time sifts.

What's stopping her from going back to a previous version of herself and talking herself out of something or making changes to what she did? Nothing. Paradoxes are acceptable for Fae. There is no soul stopping them from existing at the same time as a past self. That's a human limitation.

Darroc = Human, formerly Fae, but without a soul.

What's stopping two of him existing in the same time? What's stopping a pre-cursed version of him from existing with the same timeframe as the human version? Nothing. And though time works oddly in Morar, the Fae skip through time and place at will in mortal realms.

The only thing is that little catch that Adam mentioned about not being able to go forward from his present self. So a past Darroc couldn't leap forward to the present one. But he does have allies in the present who could go back and bring the past one forward in the human realms. He spent enough time in mortal realms wreaking havoc for someone to know where he was and be able to go get him. He as human could just tell them where.

What this all means is that it is feasible that Darroc could have his revenge against Adam, QA, humans, etc, and actually avoid getting changed to a mortal...and do it himself by getting someone to bring his past self forward, and then changing his own past.

That would explain why QA thought that she could undo something that was supposedly irreversible. It is only irreversible if you think of time as progressively moving forward and that you can't travel backwards. But the Fae Can.

Really changes the playing field when there seems to be a nearly infinite number of ways to achieve "Do-Overs" if you get creative about how you get the past and present to connect.

Viv:33:

[Piscesbaby4]

:2v-vi::th_thud:Geez, you really read into that! Thanks though....It really helped me understand taht quote from QA about Adam. I would never have thought THAT much into it. You are awesome!:65: I'm afraid things really really aren't what we think them to be at all...

I feel that Darroc (either human without soul or past fae Darroc) is still deep in the scheme of things surrounding the Lord Master and the Dark Book.

Is Malluce an aid to the Lord Master? Or do you think he has secret motive to be involved. I think once we figure out the real JB...it might help alot.

It's amazing how in a paragraph of KMM's book, there is seriously, a whole other novel written between the lines.

Thanks
~M

[SunshineStateFan]

Ok. This is my first visit to this forum and I really wasn't gonna post anything. I just wanted to read what everyone else was thinking. But, the soul thing and Darroc or accomplice going back in time...I think this is something to really really consider. Don't forget Adam and Cin travel back in time many times to undo the death of Lisa's mother...ummm thought I would just remind ya'll it's been done before and it worked so well too. I think we're onto something here. :33: Unless because KMM did use it extensively maybe she won't use it again?? ARRRGGHHH!

[Caelidh]

Darroc had his powers while he was tracking Adam down in Cincinnati. The Fae were always floating around among humans. Eventhough the "walls were up". The Walls coming "down' mean something more about worlds colliding.

Bringing the Hunters in to their world wouldn't neccessarily require the walls being down.

Adam, by asking Daegus and Drustan not to perform the rituals.. he hew that the walls would become thin and alert QA..

QA

pg 289 Pb Immortal

QA to Adam

"Do you have any idea what you have done? Do you know that already humans have begun slipping through the fabric of place and time where the old magic lies fallow"

"The Dolmens have opened?" Adam was startled

"Yes"

"Well, why the bloody hell did you wait so Long?"

She gave him such an arctic glare that he was surprised his skin didn't ice "How am I at risk?? Speak. Now. Fast"



I have always thought about the fact that Adams actions and choices helped to bring down the walls. Darroc had started the coup


re-read page25 pb version of Immortal

and then pg 82

""Darroc watched Bastion's nostrils flaring at the scent of the human realms. He'd chosen to release the Hunter from his icy prison- that grim, hellish Fae realm to which the Unseelie had been condenmned- and bring him to the HIll of Tara to remind him of all the Unseelie at lost. Also to ensure that the Unseelie King, who at times supported Aoibheal and at other times didn't (and none could eve predict when, not even her) did not overhear. Thought the King of Darkness rarely emerged from his dark fortress in the bleakest of reaches within his realm of shodw and ice, Darroc had no desire to draw the notice of the formidable.... creature.'

.... further

" Those Tuatha De' Adam migight count as friends had never been friends of Darroc's and Aoibheal kept her own counsel where the prices she 'd been so wont to indluge was concerend. If not for Mael, he'd have known nothing of all of Adam's fate. He- a bloody Elder of her High Council- kept in the dark. Sitill , a number of his race hadn't been seen for several mortal months. Conididing with a time shortly after Adam's banishment to the human realm.

He had no doubt he would soon find on e of his brethren who knew exactly where Adam was, if the Hunters didn't find him sooner. "


(The following somewhat alludes to the fact of the Fae vision being clouded by seeing so much. eh?)



Also the Hunters are kept referred to as HER (QA) Hunters...



Soo.... going back to Darroc and the walls... Adam kind of allowed the walls to go down... and even if they had done the ritual.. it appears the damage has been done.

Darroc.. having been banished to being human goes seeking other powerful people (see Spell).

I think Darroc (who IS The Lord Master ) is probably eating Unseelie to get his powers. There are probably on the council others who may have befriended him. Darroc was planning all along to bring down the walls and Domnate humans again.