*Spoilers* What About This...

[Dansgirl1]

So, I was re-reading DF (for about the 5th time :D) and this part jumped out at me....and I thought :34:, maybe Mac is right.

On DF; page 309 (paperback), Mac says,
"Maybe there were Fae that could hide it somehow. Maybe they had talismans or spells to conceal their true nature. I'd seen too many inexplicable things lately to consider anything beyond the realm of possibility."

What if she's right...what if Barrons IS Fae????? And what if the torque and cuff that he wears ARE of the Royal House and he CAN conceal his true nature????? After all, he did tell her that the higher the caste of Fae the less effect she would have on them.

Okay, now you can tell me that I'm crazy and that doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever, and that I'm just rambling because I'm a sleep deprived mom of a two month old. It's okay I can take it ;D

Anyways....thanks for listening to me ramble :D

[MeShelle]

You could be right because there are 4 houses if im correct...hmmm its a possiblity

[Pyxie]

Hmm, this is an interesting possibility, *Jo* might love this because she stands on JZB being Fomorian Fae Prince. :anim_headbang-vi: And at one point I thought the way Mac punched him in the chest and he supposedly 'just stood there and took it' seemed kind of odd. I'd forgotten about Mac talking about the talismans. Good catch! :2v-vi:

Although he would have to be one extremely powerful Fae to hide it from Mac. In Spell QA is behind countless layers of illusion, beyond an impenetrable Fae veil. Not even the most ADEPT of Sidhe-seers would be able to see her formless form...So wouldn't he have to be on the same level as QA? Hmm.

[MeShelle]

ye... might have to bring Jo in here.... She has convinced me about many things..Including the Fomorian/damed/fae/prince subject

[babblekatblue]

Why do my KMM books have to be at home???? I wanna re-read them all right now. Like now.

[Cheryle]

It is a good theory!

[stormsandsins]

Hmm, this is an interesting possibility, *Jo* might love this because she stands on JZB being Fomorian Fae Prince. :anim_headbang-vi: And at one point I thought the way Mac punched him in the chest and he supposedly 'just stood there and took it' seemed kind of odd. I'd forgotten about Mac talking about the talismans. Good catch! :2v-vi:

Although he would have to be one extremely powerful Fae to hide it from Mac. In Spell QA is behind countless layers of illusion, beyond an impenetrable Fae veil. Not even the most ADEPT of Sidhe-seers would be able to see her formless form...So wouldn't he have to be on the same level as QA? Hmm.

Hmm, good one. Is he wearing a torque or cuff then? I'd re-read DF, but I don't have the time to (gah, school!)

Yes, it's been speculated Barrons might be a prince from one of the Royal Houses... Personally I'm thinking maybe someone like Circenn -- half-Fae, half-man. But I keep going back to this comment of Barrons's where he says that Dublin is "his" city (something like 'I won't let those bastards get to my city', or some such) so it's debatable, since Dublin's been around for a long time, and half-Faes don't have the same lifespan as humans. But, anyway.

If he's a descendant from a royal house, well then it's logical that he'd inherit powers beyond what regular Fae don't get. So, the whole layering could be possible in JB's case if he is half-Fae descended from a royal house. And even greater if he's a Royal House Fae, period.

And there's also this to consider: Maybe the other royal houses get different levels of powers...?

[Merry]

I think BARRONS is probably a high level Druid priest.

[*Jo*]

Many of my theories have been posted everywhere. I will try to find the bits & pieces :

1. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
ADDING another piece JZB, JERICHO ZAVIER (???,meaning 'new house' of fae my guess) BARRONS, mends Mac's broken bones in her arm after the attack from Malluce. Mac clearly remembers Jericho speaking in an unrecognizable language, feels his kiss, then falls into a deep slumber...Who else would know the ancient tongue other than a fae ? Also there have been numerous references to the fact that JZB apeears to sift time all through DARKfever...Druids don't sift...Or appear out of nowhere without a sound !

In reference research of the 5 major groups that settles Irelend, only 2 were fae...Tuatha De Dananan & Formorian Fae. Also FORMORIANS were the only group that did not speak the language of the remaining four because they had their own language. Separate from all the other inhabitants of Ireland at that time.

2. I believe JZB is a cursed VILKACIS of Lavatian Baltic folklore. Cursed or damned by magyck was the main point. By fae. Similar to werewolves but retain human awareness and this folklore likens them to 'superior warriors' in strength, appreciated & feared by the locals and is clustered with the group they intermingle with : beserkers & shape shifters. We already know Gavrael MacIllioch aka GRIMM in "To Tame a Highland Warrior".
Per SPOILER booklet as MAC discovers sounds in the garage...

So the total sum of my theories are this :
JZB
Formorian Fae royalty
Damned/cursed
Vilkacis
Warrior
Sorcerer

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/vilkacis
www.sacred-texts.com/neu/cfwm/cf206.htm
www,pantheon.com
www.celtic-twilight.com
www.gods-heroes-myth.com
www.shee-eire.com/magic&mythology/gods/goddess/main/main.htm
www.parents.com

There are others that I used. Figured I took enough space...
You can ask me anything if I hadn't cleared up any questions for you.:happy_face_waving:

[*Jo*]

...my first theory classifid JZB as Unseelie, probably of Seelie & Unseelie heritage because of the black & silver torque. He was the only character so far that had adorned such a color in KMM'S world so far...
I also had labeled JZB as the son of the union of Queen A & the Unseelie king because she had been in the Unseelie king's company for quite some time for more than two encounters...

But after researched, I changed his heritage to Formorian Fae.
They were great sea fearing fae that settled in the Otherworld aka underground (of Ireland).
Tuatha De took to the isle in the skies, Morar while
Formorian took to the underground with the very same divisions : 4 royal houses, 4 cities, 4 druids, 4 relics...
As supplied by research.
TOO MANY similarities to ignore...
Plus the constant references made by JZB himself, that HE knew the underground extremely well as he spent alot of time there...


So, what do you think ?!!

[neetel]

But after researched, I changed his heritage to Formorian Fae.
They were great sea fearing fae that settled in the Otherworld aka underground (of Ireland).
Tuatha De took to the isle in the skies, Morar while
Formorian took to the underground with the very same divisions : 4 royal houses, 4 cities, 4 druids, 4 relics...
As supplied by research.
TOO MANY similarities to ignore...
Plus the constant references made by JZB himself, that HE knew the underground extremely well as he spent alot of time there...


So, what do you think ?!!

I think you're really on to something here. Especially Barrons' interesting relationship with V'Lane. I interpret them as being more equal than not...

Great, great thinking!

[stormsandsins]

Many of my theories have been posted everywhere. I will try to find the bits & pieces :

1. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
ADDING another piece JZB, JERICHO ZAVIER (???,meaning 'new house' of fae my guess) BARRONS, mends Mac's broken bones in her arm after the attack from Malluce. Mac clearly remembers Jericho speaking in an unrecognizable language, feels his kiss, then falls into a deep slumber...Who else would know the ancient tongue other than a fae ? Also there have been numerous references to the fact that JZB apeears to sift time all through DARKfever...Druids don't sift...Or appear out of nowhere without a sound !

In reference research of the 5 major groups that settles Irelend, only 2 were fae...Tuatha De Dananan & Formorian Fae. Also FORMORIANS were the only group that did not speak the language of the remaining four because they had their own language. Separate from all the other inhabitants of Ireland at that time.

2. I believe JZB is a cursed VILKACIS of Lavatian Baltic folklore. Cursed or damned by magyck was the main point. By fae. Similar to werewolves but retain human awareness and this folklore likens them to 'superior warriors' in strength, appreciated & feared by the locals and is clustered with the group they intermingle with : beserkers & shape shifters. We already know Gavrael MacIllioch aka GRIMM in "To Tame a Highland Warrior".
Per SPOILER booklet as MAC discovers sounds in the garage...

So the total sum of my theories are this :
JZB
Formorian Fae royalty
Damned/cursed
Vilkacis
Warrior
Sorcerer

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/vilkacis (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/vilkacis)
www.sacred-texts.com/neu/cfwm/cf206.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/cfwm/cf206.htm)
www,pantheon.com
www.celtic-twilight.com (http://www.celtic-twilight.com)
www.gods-heroes-myth.com (http://www.gods-heroes-myth.com)
www.shee-eire.com/magic&mythology/gods/goddess/main/main.htm (http://www.shee-eire.com/magic&mythology/gods/goddess/main/main.htm)
www.parents.com (http://www.parents.com)

There are others that I used. Figured I took enough space...
You can ask me anything if I hadn't cleared up any questions for you.:happy_face_waving:

It didn't really feel like he was sifting time. I mean, it's not specified or anything so I guess I never really paid attention to whether he'd just be sifting place or sifting time. I always thought he was just sifting place... But anyway, good points. I knew you'd like to throw in your two cents :03:

But now that gets me thinking about an older post I made about whether or not Barrons could have really been "born" or had strong ties (i.e. girlfriend/mother/sister/daughter dead as per his comment that he has loved before) in Galway. Well I remember someone argued he couldn't move that fast from coast to coast, but then I think this was before the whole "JB is a Fae" argument was born. So now I think it could be possible he's got strong ties to Galway, since we're arguing that it's possible he's Fae (or half-Fae, at any rate).

I'm with you on the mix of Fomorian Fae/Vilkacis/etc. Though since Mac doesn't understand what he's saying when he's healing her, we don't know for sure whether it was Tuatha De Danan or Fomorian language he was speaking. Hmm.

But anyway I still love your theories! And I love adding! (been essaying for school lately, but you wouldn't see the difference as I'm just as speculative as ever) :happy0158: Awesomeness!

[MeShelle]

...my first theory classifid JZB as Unseelie, probably of Seelie & Unseelie heritage because of the black & silver torque. He was the only character so far that had adorned such a color in KMM'S world so far...
I also had labeled JZB as the son of the union of Queen A & the Unseelie king because she had been in the Unseelie king's company for quite some time for more than two encounters...

But after researched, I changed his heritage to Formorian Fae.
They were great sea fearing fae that settled in the Otherworld aka underground (of Ireland).
Tuatha De took to the isle in the skies, Morar while
Formorian took to the underground with the very same divisions : 4 royal houses, 4 cities, 4 druids, 4 relics...
As supplied by research.
TOO MANY similarities to ignore...
Plus the constant references made by JZB himself, that HE knew the underground extremely well as he spent alot of time there...


So, what do you think ?!!

Gosh Jo i love ya!!! I knew i did the right thing to bring you over to this thread.... Anywho... you know i agree with JZB being a Formorian... Like you said to much similarities...

[Danielle42]

Many of my theories have been posted everywhere. I will try to find the bits & pieces :

1. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
ADDING another piece JZB, JERICHO ZAVIER (???,meaning 'new house' of fae my guess) BARRONS, mends Mac's broken bones in her arm after the attack from Malluce. Mac clearly remembers Jericho speaking in an unrecognizable language, feels his kiss, then falls into a deep slumber...Who else would know the ancient tongue other than a fae ? Also there have been numerous references to the fact that JZB apeears to sift time all through DARKfever...Druids don't sift...Or appear out of nowhere without a sound !

In reference research of the 5 major groups that settles Irelend, only 2 were fae...Tuatha De Dananan & Formorian Fae. Also FORMORIANS were the only group that did not speak the language of the remaining four because they had their own language. Separate from all the other inhabitants of Ireland at that time.

2. I believe JZB is a cursed VILKACIS of Lavatian Baltic folklore. Cursed or damned by magyck was the main point. By fae. Similar to werewolves but retain human awareness and this folklore likens them to 'superior warriors' in strength, appreciated & feared by the locals and is clustered with the group they intermingle with : beserkers & shape shifters. We already know Gavrael MacIllioch aka GRIMM in "To Tame a Highland Warrior".
Per SPOILER booklet as MAC discovers sounds in the garage...

So the total sum of my theories are this :
JZB
Formorian Fae royalty
Damned/cursed
Vilkacis
Warrior
Sorcerer

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/vilkacis
www.sacred-texts.com/neu/cfwm/cf206.htm
www,pantheon.com
www.celtic-twilight.com
www.gods-heroes-myth.com
www.shee-eire.com/magic&mythology/gods/goddess/main/main.htm
www.parents.com

There are others that I used. Figured I took enough space...
You can ask me anything if I hadn't cleared up any questions for you.:happy_face_waving:

I don't know if it's your persistence, persuasiveness or both, but I am beginning to lean your way on JZB... I also like what was said in a different thread about him having a talisman against sidhe-seers or being of such a high rank that Mac doesn't affect him.

Another possibility (hint?) in Spell (I can't find it and can't remember the page!):

Cian says that the Dark Glass was (initially?) in a village IN IRELAND guarded by a thousand warriors and holy men.

Could JZB be some sort of Hallows guard? Perhaps a fallen one? Like the way Berserkers were guards for Scotland's kings (or at least the BRuce) Clearly not one of the holy men :03: OR if not JZB, perhaps this fact will be relevant later...

[*Jo*]

I think you're really on to something here. Especially Barrons' interesting relationship with V'Lane. I interpret them as being more equal than not...

Great, great thinking!

Equal...I agree completely with this. V'lane is supposedly Seelie royal fae prince...In order to talk to JZB, I would think that they'd be of similar rank for Jericho to approach V'lane to begin with, then question Mac about the meeting she did not mention...

[Pyxie]

I don't know if it's your persistence, persuasiveness or both, but I am beginning to lean your way on JZB... I also like what was said in a different thread about him having a talisman against sidhe-seers or being of such a high rank that Mac doesn't affect him.

Another possibility (hint?) in Spell (I can't find it and can't remember the page!):

Cian says that the Dark Glass was (initially?) in a village IN IRELAND guarded by a thousand warriors and holy men.

*Jo* is very persuasive isn't she, :65: it does sound more and more plausible. I also think the Cuff and Torque he wears are relevent, as *Jo* has stated several times. I mentioned this in another thread but I will go ahead and repeat it; remember when Mac punches Barrons in the chest after she has her encounter with the gray man and the whole ordeal with her ketchup soaked french fries?

This is what it says: Darkfever paperback pg. 99

...I hammered him with my fists. He just stood and took it, his hands clamped on my shoulders, his dark eyes fixed on my face. Don't get me wrong, he didn't suffer graciously, he looked pissed off to no end. He let me hit him. And he didn't hit me back. Which was, I suspected, a pretty major consession from Jericho Barrons.

He doesn't speak or do anything until she stops hitting him.

Remember how she only had a couple seconds with V'lane at the Museum, and she really slammed him too? By the time she scooted on her bare bum, he was already moving. And how JZB tells her that even though a Fae is temporarily frozen it is still fully aware.

This just keeps with me, I have a hard time believing that JZB for all the times he has slammed her and grabbed her by the throat (Don't get me wrong I'm in the JZB camp 100%!!!) that he would just stand there and take it, and not at least try to restrain her. Especially with as pissed off as Mac said he seemed to be. *shrugs* Could be eatin' crow though! :65:

[MeShelle]

you know now that you mention it, it does seam like he is fae because he said "the higher the cast or there position the shorter the time they freeze. with real powerfull fae you have nothing more than a few seconds" so if he is just standing there until she stops then i can prove he is fae

[*Jo*]

I don't know if it's your persistence, persuasiveness or both, but I am beginning to lean your way on JZB... I also like what was said in a different thread about him having a talisman against sidhe-seers or being of such a high rank that Mac doesn't affect him.

Another possibility (hint?) in Spell (I can't find it and can't remember the page!):

Cian says that the Dark Glass was (initially?) in a village IN IRELAND guarded by a thousand warriors and holy men.

Could JZB be some sort of Hallows guard? Perhaps a fallen one? Like the way Berserkers were guards for Scotland's kings (or at least the BRuce) Clearly not one of the holy men :03: OR if not JZB, perhaps this fact will be relevant later...

JZB could be a Hallows guard or perhaps the VEIL Keeper that keeps the two worlds fae & human one separate.
JZB would have to have immense power to do so. No mere druid could accomplish this at all...
Then JZB would have to be some royal fae, I think Formorian, Sorcerer who carried out the magycks in order for the veil to remain up.
What happened ?
Was this time period when he became damned/cursed :51: that his power was impaired enough that the veil has thinned dramatically and being cursed he cannot effectively perform the magyck ? Impotent ?!!:th_anim_naughty-vi:
Is that why JZB is searching for the Dark Book , along with the sacred stones to reverse the curse himself ?

Not enough...too much...Makes my head hurt !:34:
Two more days to go...
EXCEPT for the very lucky lasses that already have Bloodfever read & are compiling their notes on the matter...
Heavy sigh...

[stormsandsins]

This just keeps with me, I have a hard time believing that JZB for all the times he has slammed her and grabbed her by the throat (Don't get me wrong I'm in the JZB camp 100%!!!) that he would just stand there and take it, and not at least try to restrain her. Especially with as pissed of as Mac said he seemed to be. *shrugs* Could be eatin' crow though! :65:

I asked a little earlier in this thread whether he might not have been wearing his torque or cuff. I don't recall if it's even mentioned in the text but it could make sense that he's affected by her Null abilities if he's not wearing either (or one of them)... Hmm... I understand how it bugs you, it bugs me too every time I re-read DF!

[alba]

Have to say that I agree with you .
There was also a description of a 1 eyed 1 armed 1 legged beast
Maybe that is what JZB has down below or is JZB and the screaming is JB transforming
( Then again I might be to cracked in the head to make any sense too much stress from the contest HA HA)

[Pyxie]

I asked a little earlier in this thread whether he might not have been wearing his torque or cuff. I don't recall if it's even mentioned in the text but it could make sense that he's affected by her Null abilities if he's not wearing either (or one of them)... Hmm... I understand how it bugs you, it bugs me too every time I re-read DF!

It's funny, but in this particular moment - Mac punching JZB - she never mentions what he is wearing, or if he has the Cuff or Torque on. I wonder if you're right, If he isn't wearing them (if he is indeed Fae) if it would increase her Null powers over him? :33: You know, the Cuff of Cruce is supposed to hold certain powers over unseelie, so it would make sense that torques and cuffs of the 4 royal houses would also hold certain ablilities.

[Moontygre]

Just a quick question to clerify my thoughts. Is it possible at all that Jericho & V'lane are the same. I don't remember actually seeing a conversation between the 2 of them.

[MeShelle]

oh boy never really thought about that

[Pyxie]

Just a quick question to clerify my thoughts. Is it possible at all that Jericho & V'lane are the same. I don't remember actually seeing a conversation between the 2 of them.

When you say the same do you mean the same person? If that is the case, I would have to say no. If you mean the same as in equals; Could be. It has been speculated that JB is a Fae either an Unseelie royal Fae or a Fomorian Royal Fae.

[Moontygre]

I was asking if they were the same person or is it possible. Cause the only other time that KMM wrote her heroine having the hots for more than one was with Adrienne and that was because Adam was using his magik.

[MeShelle]

yeah but it was between adam and hawk soo still 2 diff people... and V'Lane is so using magic to get Mac hot... i mean look what he did to her in the museum

[Pyxie]

I was asking if they were the same person or is it possible. Cause the only other time that KMM wrote her heroine having the hots for more than one was with Adrienne and that was because Adam was using his magik.

Well, I don't really see Mac as having the hots for V'lane, sure he makes her body feel great, but he is stealing her will to do so. MHO is that she doesn't trust or like him very much. So no, I don't think V'lane and JZB are the same person.

[Danielle42]

I think you're really on to something here. Especially Barrons' interesting relationship with V'Lane. I interpret them as being more equal than not...

Great, great thinking!

That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that but JZB definitely acts like V'lane is someone/thing that he is very familiar and comfortable with - and not intimidated by...

[Danielle42]

I asked a little earlier in this thread whether he might not have been wearing his torque or cuff. I don't recall if it's even mentioned in the text but it could make sense that he's affected by her Null abilities if he's not wearing either (or one of them)... Hmm... I understand how it bugs you, it bugs me too every time I re-read DF!


Ah! That could be true - the cuffs could make JZB immune to Mac's Null abilities.

WAIT A SECOND!!! Maybe THAT'S why V'lane wants Mac to take the Cuff of Cruce - it would make her powerless against him!

[stormsandsins]

It's funny, but in this particular moment - Mac punching JZB - she never mentions what he is wearing, or if he has the Cuff or Torque on. I wonder if you're right, If he isn't wearing them (if he is indeed Fae) if it would increase her Null powers over him? :33: You know, the Cuff of Cruce is supposed to hold certain powers over unseelie, so it would make sense that torques and cuffs of the 4 royal houses would also hold certain ablilities.

You actually triggered a thought in my mind. Remember when she meets him the first time? They never touch. JB actually looks like he wants to lunge to restrain her, but then he seems to think better of it (would give himself away, methinks, if we go along with the Null-protection-Cuff-and-Torque). And the cuff or torque are never mentioned in that passage:

Darkfever hardcover, p.40

Jericho Barrons actually made the faint beginnings of a lunge toward me, as if to physically restrain me. Until that moment, although aggression [although they never touch] had charged the air and threat had been implied, there'd been nothing overt. I'd been aggravated, now I was a little afraid.

Our gazes locked and we stood a moment in that frozen tableau. I could almost see him calculating the importance - if any at all - of our sudden audience.

Then he gave me a faint sardonic smile and inclined his head as if to say, You win this time, Ms. Lane. "Don't count on it twice," he murmured.This last also seems important. That's when he'd realise he'd need to get his hands on his cuff and torque. He won't make that mistake twice.

And ... well, I can't find proof of that because the next time they do meet, he is wearing the same Italian suit, so we can't see his arms. It's obvious, though, that he's not wearing the torque yet; it would have been visible from the collar (esp. if it's open - if it's closed, well, you could still perceive a bump, yeah?) I don't remember exactly when she notices the torque (I'm supposed to be finishing up an essay on art history, so sue me).

Montygre, there was some talk a couple of months earlier about whether or not they could be one and the same. I don't recall exactly, but I think we came to the consensus that they weren't because of the huge differences (attitude being prime) between the two. Mind you, this could be a case of the double personality haha but I doubt it.

Danielle42, that's exactly my thought. But then according to my Null-protecting-Cuff (oh boy) theory, V'lane should be the one wearing the Cuff, since JZB is the one wearing the cuff and torque to protect himself from Mac's Null abilities. But hmm... maybe there's another reason. Maybe V'lane's Cuff anihilates Mac's powers totally. Or, umm, something.

[*Jo*]

:65: You know... I would have something to say !

Though JZB & V'Lane are fae royalty, THEY are from two genetically different races don't forget.
Tuatha De may not necessarily have the same charcteristics as Formorians...
and visa versa...
*One took to the sky
*One took to the underground
*Adaptation
Seelie are light,bronze,gold because they are in contact with the sun.
Formorians cohabitate underground and I would expect them to be dark...skin, hair, eyes...
Do I make any sense ?!!
These two groups would have evolved differently yet would have just as many similarities also...
Being fae...
Having powers...
yet at the same time evolve differently too because of their environment & survival would make it so.
Sifting to one group could be something different to the other...
Power of locomotion is the same but THE WAY in which each group accomplishes this would be different...

Does this make any sense ?!!!
Nevermind...sounds like I've been :anim_coffee-vi: or :54: or been:anim_stick-vi: too many times in the head.

[stormsandsins]

Oi. Confusing. So then I'm thinking maybe the cuff and torque have different effects on JZB? Urgh, too much.

[MeShelle]

:65: You know... I would have something to say !

Though JZB & V'Lane are fae royalty, THEY are from two genetically different races don't forget.
Tuatha De may not necessarily have the same charcteristics as Formorians...
and visa versa...
*One took to the sky
*One took to the underground
*Adaptation
Seelie are light,bronze,gold because they are in contact with the sun.
Formorians cohabitate underground and I would expect them to be dark...skin, hair, eyes...
Do I make any sense ?!!
These two groups would have evolved differently yet would have just as many similarities also...
Being fae...
Having powers...
yet at the same time evolve differently too because of their environment & survival would make it so.
Sifting to one group could be something different to the other...
Power of locomotion is the same but THE WAY in which each group accomplishes this would be different...

Does this make any sense ?!!!
Nevermind...sounds like I've been :anim_coffee-vi: or :54: or been:anim_stick-vi: too many times in the head.

Ah Jo so him being formorian and they are from underground so to say that would explain why he said he knows the underground tunels so well ...right?

[Vivid Confusion]

:65: You know... I would have something to say !

Though JZB & V'Lane are fae royalty, THEY are from two genetically different races don't forget.
Tuatha De may not necessarily have the same charcteristics as Formorians...
and visa versa...
*One took to the sky
*One took to the underground
*Adaptation
Seelie are light,bronze,gold because they are in contact with the sun.
Formorians cohabitate underground and I would expect them to be dark...skin, hair, eyes...
Do I make any sense ?!!
These two groups would have evolved differently yet would have just as many similarities also...
Being fae...
Having powers...
yet at the same time evolve differently too because of their environment & survival would make it so.
Sifting to one group could be something different to the other...
Power of locomotion is the same but THE WAY in which each group accomplishes this would be different...

Does this make any sense ?!!!
Nevermind...sounds like I've been :anim_coffee-vi: or :54: or been:anim_stick-vi: too many times in the head.

Actually, those creatures from essentially light-less habitats, such as sealed underground caverns and the extreme ocean depths, have been discovered and are often colorless in the albino range. Melanin response as part of evolution have made creatures darker in most cases as a protection against the damaging solar rays. The lighter colored creatures are thought to have evolved that way because a) they don't need the protection of the melanin and so don't waste biological resources on creating it, b) they actually need more light exposure in the darker conditions to create vitamins from that light (I think it is K, A, & D that our bodies require light to produce and process but I might be mistaken on which ones), and c) everything blends in while in the absolute darkness and a darker skin tone is not required for protection or camouflage.

So, theoretically, unless KMM wants to rewrite all of the bases of evolutionary development in relation to light and find a justifiable reason for it, a Formorian from underground would be lighter, not darker, than the Tuatha De.

That aside, it isn't a given that JB is a Fae/Fomorian Prince--only a supposition on your part, unless you have had access to some spoiler or manuscript that the rest of us don't. Supposing that JB was Fomorian, Fir Bolg, or one of the other pre-Goidelic / Proto-Celtic peoples (or even the post-Tuatha De Danann Milesians), as the supposed ancestors of the eventual Celtic Tribes, they would have lived above the surface at the time of his birth--again going on the basis that these peoples were perceived to be immortal or nearly so, like the Tuatha De. That said, it takes generations for evolution to take effect since the mutations occur on the DNA level; evolution is actually successful DNA mutations that make survival more likely for those who inherit the mutations. JB, if assumed to be an ancient Fomorian Fae prince, would have been born above ground or, at best, only a generation or two underground, and would not have had sufficient time for the genetic drift to create such an inherited trait as a feature of an entire group of beings.

However, he could inherit the darker appearance from Basque and Pict ancestry or if it was from some basis other than the hypothesis of evolution to underground accommodations....And I just went all geeky nerd on this, didn't I?

Uh...Never mind. :52:

[ImAddicted]

Maybe he's an Unseelie prince, trying to go straight? Oooh that would be cool.

[HopeChasez]

So, I was re-reading DF (for about the 5th time :D) and this part jumped out at me....and I thought :34:, maybe Mac is right.

On DF; page 309 (paperback), Mac says,
"Maybe there were Fae that could hide it somehow. Maybe they had talismans or spells to conceal their true nature. I'd seen too many inexplicable things lately to consider anything beyond the realm of possibility."

What if she's right...what if Barrons IS Fae????? And what if the torque and cuff that he wears ARE of the Royal House and he CAN conceal his true nature????? After all, he did tell her that the higher the caste of Fae the less effect she would have on them.



okayyy...I totally had this same thought! that JB was Fae royalty and really powerful. That's why I had some weird theory that JB and V'lane were one and the same. Especially at the end of DF when JB is like "You met V'lane? Why didn't you tell me?" or something along those lines.


In Spell QA is behind countless layers of illusion, beyond an impenetrable Fae veil. Not even the most ADEPT of Sidhe-seers would be able to see her formless form...So wouldn't he have to be on the same level as QA?

Well...Mac probably wouldn't have been able to see QA...but Cian isn't a Sidhe-Seer...but a freak of nature Druid. haha. so perhaps JB doesn't have to be as powerful as QA in order to fool an adept Sidhe-Seer...but I'm sure he's pretty powerful himself.

[siggyj43]

I don't want to offend so if you are new Welcome.

I read your theories and I agree, I wrote something a while ago about JZB being from one of the royal houses and his torque is close to or like Adams, he also had a orb from the D'jai house so I was leaning towards that.(everyone thought I was clueless) However I do like Jo's theories and always have. Now I am torn and waiting for FF so I can try to piece more of this puzzle together I am hoping for a huge chunk. I like your theories and can see where you are coming from.

Until FF:th_thud:

[TXIrish]

Something to think about. :33: V'lane told Mac that the only reason they noticed her was because they were watching JZB. That's the same reason that they didn't know about Alina, because she and JZB never met. As for JZB claiming that Dublin was his city, it's confusing because he also tells Mac that her civilization is going to he**, as if it doesn't have anything to do with him. :65: And if general consensus is correct, JZB has got a few years on him, Dublin is a very old city, and he may move around well under it because at one time what is now under used to be what was aboveground. I've been to Dublin, they're always finding bits and pieces of old construction when they are working on buildings and streets. They even have one spot where they've inset a piece of plexiglass so you can see down under the street.:33:

[TXIrish]

About the silver torque and cuffs, Norsemen and Danes favored silver over gold, which is why so much of it is found buried around the British Isles.:th_read:

[mommaj]

Ladies! Thank you!!! I have missed these intriging conversations....
Jo....brilliant, like always! I am with you 100%!

I have always leaned towards JB not having the cuff/torque on when Mac hit him. Was wondering if he had one and realized he needed both. Must have been a shock to realize how powerful she really was! LOL!

And...welcome newbies! Keep posting...we need more thoughts and ideas to keep us sane until September!!! :60:
Have to say....I am dying for FF! :36:

[*Jo*]

I don't know if it's your persistence, persuasiveness or both, but I am beginning to lean your way on JZB... I also like what was said in a different thread about him having a talisman against sidhe-seers or being of such a high rank that Mac doesn't affect him.

Another possibility (hint?) in Spell (I can't find it and can't remember the page!):

Cian says that the Dark Glass was (initially?) in a village IN IRELAND guarded by a thousand warriors and holy men.

Could JZB be some sort of Hallows guard? Perhaps a fallen one? Like the way Berserkers were guards for Scotland's kings (or at least the BRuce) Clearly not one of the holy men :03: OR if not JZB, perhaps this fact will be relevant later...
ARCHIVES 11/07/07
JB and Half & Half...
---or is JZB 1/4, 1/4 & 1/2...human/fae ?
OK,ok,ok,ok...
Yup !
Been researching YET again...EGADS !!!
****Echo**** was gracious enough to supply this web under the title BASQUE STUFF...
......Unfortunately it became buried too quickly

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/dragon9/BASQUES.html

Summary :

1. The site above had quite a few references and actual pictures of circles and dolmens in Spain.
2. Basque are known for having a very distinctive language all on it's own, EUSKARA, the oldest language in all of Europe. Basque language is unique and not related to any other on the face of this earth.
3. Leheren Suge, a three horned dragon, ruler of the dark world and his reign was celebrated November 1st, All Souls Day. Each celebration at sunset of the day before, October 31st.
4. Prytani, Basque-Celts in northern regions, descendants came to be known as the PICTS. After numerous wars within the area, the Prytani king and warriors were offered the women descendants of the Tuatha de Danann by the Celtic nation there as an incentive to stop fighting. Later, this particular group of Picts was associated with the Clan Gunn.
5. A band of Basques, under the rule of Alphonso VII, helped the Christian Alliance, including the TEMPLARS.
Questions :
So, is JZB a quarter or half human ?
JZB wears tattooes on his upper torso for repelling the repercussions of using Dark Magyk. Can you tattoo a fae ?!
What type of Fae is he ?
Per KMM saying a new type of fae would be introduced. JZB can't see, touch, or find the relics himself so, he must be a fae...
Formorian, Tuatha, or Prytanian-Euskaldunak ?

This may be way beyond but, I simply have to ask...
I apologize if others had asked this question but,
Is V'Lane Jericho's father ?!!! Half brother?!
Me ?!! I'd RATHER JZB Formorian...
It's much easier to say !!!
As for a guardian of the Hallows, that is entirely possible and I think that there were theories about that in another thread which I had questioned that possibilty myself. SINCE a fae could not keep track of the Hallows or see them to begin with, how would JB know what they were unless he came in contact with them at one time or another ?!!! Not possible unless he had been human to begin with!
Present :
...Also have been working on the subject of Changling, as in a lower classification or status trying to higher themselves into a different class by means of trials...
If JB was originally a Formorian druid and yearns to be a fae, then there's a direct procedure to higher his status, but he would have to do this without any aid of higher ups, so MAC's lower status would not eliminate JB if he uses her talents, if I remember from reading into one of the web sites. Interesting thought.

[Ms. Sputnik]

Well, one thing that should narrow down JZB's "species" is the fact that he doesn't seem to fear handling the spear. When Mac had just dined on Fae meat, she was very reluctant to handle it. I'd think if JZB were Fae, we would also see him keeping his distance.

HOWEVER, the SCARIEST bit of text in both books so far is the reference to the Fae entity (no name yet) that can pass into humans and is no longer detectable by Mac (and possibly all sidhe-seer). I think she first spots one when she is with Dani, but mentions it in her arranged meeting with Rowena. The implications of this are tooooo much. It brings into question the "Fae-ness" (Faeity? :65: ) of every single person in the book whom you assumed is merely human. Such as the police officer that has been following Mac everywhere since O'Duffy died.......

[*Jo*]

Maybe he's an Unseelie prince, trying to go straight? Oooh that would be cool.

But there have been so many references in SPELL of the Highlander that UNSEELIE possess antiqued silver relics. Both relics and fae 'suck the life out of the living and are extremely cold'.

JZB's torque is Silver & black, not antiqued silver and was very warm to the touch...Definitely not Unseelie and Seelie houses seem to adorn yellow gold only.
Changeling faes are able to handle iron & iron metals and so did Adam Black, then Tuatha De in Beyond the Highland Mist.

Perhaps the higher up the Fae Social ladder you are, the less you are affected by iron... I do not know. Maybe it just the Unseelie lower case Tuatha De that are affected and JB is another type of fae, a new breed of fae KMM promised. Perhaps that group is not affected by iron at all. We will have to wait and see.
BTW, great point about the parasite fae and the possibility of O'Duffy's BIL may be one...:2v-vi:

[Dansgirl1]

Well, one thing that should narrow down JZB's "species" is the fact that he doesn't seem to fear handling the spear. When Mac had just dined on Fae meat, she was very reluctant to handle it. I'd think if JZB were Fae, we would also see him keeping his distance.

HOWEVER, the SCARIEST bit of text in both books so far is the reference to the Fae entity (no name yet) that can pass into humans and is no longer detectable by Mac (and possibly all sidhe-seer). I think she first spots one when she is with Dani, but mentions it in her arranged meeting with Rowena. The implications of this are tooooo much. It brings into question the "Fae-ness" (Faeity? :65: ) of every single person in the book whom you assumed is merely human. Such as the police officer that has been following Mac everywhere since O'Duffy died.......
Good point, I'd forgotten about that Fae.....this makes for a very good point.
Jo what do you think?

[jenh]

For several chapters after he just stood there and let Mac hit him, he was taking her hand or grabbing her waist. So I thought maybe her gift only works when she touches them not the other way around? What I find strange is he only comes out at night. He's never around before 8pm. And what about the sounds below the garage. Is he half of something? JZB was so sure that Malluce' was not a vampire. Maybe that's what he is. Maybe he's just a man entrapped in a spell. He definitley wants the book. Maybe so he can break the spell that holds him? I think he got into trouble with the dark magic and now he's trapped somehow. I don't think he's Fae. He did at some point have a conversation with V'lane. Enslaved by the Fae? :idea:

[Anita]

At first I thought he was a vampire.


You know he could just be a human for all I know. LOL!

[aprilmm]

And if general consensus is correct, JZB has got a few years on him, Dublin is a very old city, and he may move around well under it because at one time what is now under used to be what was aboveground. I've been to Dublin, they're always finding bits and pieces of old construction when they are working on buildings and streets. They even have one spot where they've inset a piece of plexiglass so you can see down under the street.:33:

I never thought of this, good catch. :2v-vi: Def something to think on.

[Anita]

I love all the different ideas on this board!

[Ms. Sputnik]

I've certainly mulled it over whether or not Jericho is Fae, but lean away from that conclusion because of little indicators such as his casual handling of Mac's spear (as though he knows of no threat it holds for him which it would were he Fae). However, if he is human, he is definitely "enhanced" thru some means Ms. Moning hasn't unveiled for us. Also, would he be so anxious to kill other Fae (which he never hesitates to do) were he one of them?

[Ms. Sputnik]

I think this is a more likely conclusion than that he is Fae. He mentioned that he had encountered Druids at the old geezer's mansion when they went to steal the amulet/necklace thingee (after V'lane had "kidnapped" Mac to Faery for her beach encounter with Alina). However, he never said a thing about how he avoided a confrontation with them. Perhaps there was no confrontation because they are allies.......

[Ms. Sputnik]

He has been around during the day. The morning Mac plans to take her father to the airport, she wakes up to find the two of them conversing.

[Ms. Sputnik]

The vampire thing isn't gaining any ground with me. There is no definition of what a vampire IS in either DF or BF ---- we have our own conception from popular culture, but Ms. Moning has already dispelled several common beliefs about vamps, e.g., a stake thru the heart killing them.

[Ms. Sputnik]

I think JZB is human though "enhanced" by some process the author hasn't told us about. I don't know diddly-squat about Druids, but I'm mulling over that possibility that somebody made earlier.

[Ms. Sputnik]

I don't think they are the same. I think V'lane is Alina's murderer.

[Ms. Sputnik]

I interpret that passage as meaning he doesn't want a cab driver to see him attacking a woman. Hence, he started to grab her but thought better of it.

[Ms. Sputnik]

Also, there is some passage where one gets the impression that JZB wants the sinsar-dubh to save the world or destroy it. He is talking to Mac at the time. I don't think he would want to do that were he Fae.

[TXIrish]

I just finished reading Circen's story again, and at one point, he moves with superhuman speed. Not quite sifting, but lightening fast. And having reviewed Grimm's story, he can do the same thing. Very confusing, one the son of a fae, the other a Beserker, both with the same capability. Adam claimed that he was the only fae with a full-grown son, but now I wonder if he really is. Grimm's abilities are a gift from Odin, but I suspect he had a little help from QA. And now we have JZB who seems to have the abilities of both fae and Beserker, with a little bit of Druid tossed into the mix. Very interesting to say the least.

[bap7249]

I just finished reading Circen's story again, and at one point, he moves with superhuman speed. Not quite sifting, but lightening fast. And having reviewed Grimm's story, he can do the same thing. Very confusing, one the son of a fae, the other a Beserker, both with the same capability. Adam claimed that he was the only fae with a full-grown son, but now I wonder if he really is. Grimm's abilities are a gift from Odin, but I suspect he had a little help from QA. And now we have JZB who seems to have the abilities of both fae and Beserker, with a little bit of Druid tossed into the mix. Very interesting to say the least.

Hey TxIrish,
According to KMM in a chat somewhere, she states that the only reason Adam thinks he is 6000 years old is because he has drunk from the cauldron...this means that anything that happened previous to his drinking from the cauldron is erased from his memory...bap7249

[TXIrish]

Hey TxIrish,
According to KMM in a chat somewhere, she states that the only reason Adam thinks he is 6000 years old is because he has drunk from the cauldron...this means that anything that happened previous to his drinking from the cauldron is erased from his memory...bap7249OOOOOh, this would mean that Adam would be WRONG about something, not that he'd ever admit it! :wlaugh: But it would be kinda cool if he was the son of some other Fae prince, it would give us insight into one of the other Houses. But since he wears silver not gold, would he be royalty, or .....so many theories, so little time.... :snick:

[BeachyBobbie]

I hope you are right! I hate not knowing lol I want to know now!

[Angelika]

hm.. I have two questions. I apologize since these were probably answered somewhere else in the forum, but there are so many posts and so little time!:wwink:

1. Where do we first hear about the Fomorian Fae?


2. When do we hear about Barrons' torque? I can't seem to remember reading about it anywhere


:notworthy:

[Shewolfe]

hm.. I have two questions. I apologize since these were probably answered somewhere else in the forum, but there are so many posts and so little time!:wwink:

1. Where do we first hear about the Fomorian Fae?


2. When do we hear about Barrons' torque? I can't seem to remember reading about it anywhere


:notworthy:

Looks like it's time for a re read!!:wwink:

[Ms. Sputnik]

Looks like it's time for a re read!!:wwink:

I think you are reading the writings of people who have read the Highlander series in addition to the Fever books. I haven't read them but have read and re-read the Fever books and found no reference to the Formorian business in either book. The torque thing sounds familiar from something, but I don't think it was from a Fever book. Also, there are a bunch of people who have read numerous articles about the author in which she has given away information that was NOT in the books.....

[Southern Faerie]

The torque was mentioned in DarkFever when Mac and JB were having one of their late night visits. Mac mentions him wearing the cuff and the torque and that they are both silver and black in color. Check out DarkFever again.

The Formorians I know I have heard from Jo (here on the board), but there might have been mention of them in DarkFever also when Mac is doing all her research right after JB comes to her in her room. Sorry, it has been a little while since I have read the book. I am saving both DF and BF re-reads for when I am off taking care of my daughter and the new baby here in just a little while (a week and some days now, woohooo!!!). Anyway, so look in DarkFever and I think you will find both of your answers. :th_nod:

[highland_lass18]

Just as a side note, I don't know if it has been mentioned before (if it has, I apologize in advance for the redundancy), but in the back of Immortal Highlander, Adam mentions that there is a race of fae that can travel FORWARD in time, but he doubts their existance. Could this possibly be the Fomorians? Does this comment have any bearing on what we are seeing in the Fever series?

[embersofamber]

Many of my theories have been posted everywhere. I will try to find the bits & pieces :

1. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
ADDING another piece JZB, JERICHO ZAVIER (???,meaning 'new house' of fae my guess) BARRONS, mends Mac's broken bones in her arm after the attack from Malluce. Mac clearly remembers Jericho speaking in an unrecognizable language, feels his kiss, then falls into a deep slumber...Who else would know the ancient tongue other than a fae ? Also there have been numerous references to the fact that JZB apeears to sift time all through DARKfever...Druids don't sift...Or appear out of nowhere without a sound !

In reference research of the 5 major groups that settles Irelend, only 2 were fae...Tuatha De Dananan & Formorian Fae. Also FORMORIANS were the only group that did not speak the language of the remaining four because they had their own language. Separate from all the other inhabitants of Ireland at that time.

2. I believe JZB is a cursed VILKACIS of Lavatian Baltic folklore. Cursed or damned by magyck was the main point. By fae. Similar to werewolves but retain human awareness and this folklore likens them to 'superior warriors' in strength, appreciated & feared by the locals and is clustered with the group they intermingle with : beserkers & shape shifters. We already know Gavrael MacIllioch aka GRIMM in "To Tame a Highland Warrior".
Per SPOILER booklet as MAC discovers sounds in the garage...


I'm going with Jo's theory; sounds plausible. :60:

[Aislinn]

Hi everyone! I am new to KMM as well, having borrowed the Fever books from a friend who thought I would be interested. Well, that was all it took and I am hooked. I have always enjoyed solving puzzles, so I have set for myself the task of trying to figure our who/what JZB is, like I am the first who had that idea LOL. After reading all your posts (and others in different threads) I figured that I HAD to read the Highland Series to get a clue! Well, I am on the third book and after I read each book I change my mind about the possibilites.

After reading Grimms story I believed perhaps that JZB was a Berserker:

"Legend claimed Berserkers could move with such speed that they seemed invisible to the human eye until the moment they attacked. They possessed unnatural senses; the olfactory acuity of a wolf, the auditory sensitivity of a bat, the strength of 20 men, the penetrating eyesight of an eagle ..."

The only thing I could not reconcile was the dark eyes, so I thought Ah, Ha! Colored contact lenses to hide behind! But then I started reading The Highlanders Touch and decided that maybe he was not a Berserker afterall, maybe, he was the same as Circenn, maybe Adam gave him a little of the "poison" in the vile - passage from HT as to why Adam made Circenn immortal:
"He said he did it because his race had selected me as guardian of their treasures, of which the damned flask is one. That is why he made me swear to kill whoever found it. He said his race had long been looking for someone who could keep their hallows safe; they needed someone who would never die and could never be bested in battle."

Perhaps this is why JZB is looking for the Hallows? To find them all and to keep them safe? And why he was cynical about having loved and lost.

Anyway, just another idea - I am sure it will change again after I read the next Highland book - LOL

[Burnzybird]

Not sure if JZB is Fae or not. Maybe something else entirely. When Cian is telling Jess and Keltars about the hallows he mentions that there were seperate guardians for the dark hallows, but that they must have gone missing or been killed because the dark hallows had started to show up. In Circenn's story the Knight's templar are taking the Seelie hallows through a portal to the future to keep them safe. Cian gets trapped by dark magician in mirror when they steal it from IRISH holy men who were to strong for the magician to get thru, which means that they probably were druids or at the very least knew some kind of magic...which JZB does....what if just as the Keltars are the guardians of the compact and keep the walls of faerie up, there is another druid/holy man line that was created to guard over the dark hallows and Jericho is part of them? Searching for the book and other hallows because they had been stolen, and he was the last ("Omega") of his clan and it was his responsibility to find it.

[highland_lass18]

Not sure if JZB is Fae or not. Maybe something else entirely. When Cian is telling Jess and Keltars about the hallows he mentions that there were seperate guardians for the dark hallows, but that they must have gone missing or been killed because the dark hallows had started to show up. In Circenn's story the Knight's templar are taking the Seelie hallows through a portal to the future to keep them safe. Cian gets trapped by dark magician in mirror when they steal it from IRISH holy men who were to strong for the magician to get thru, which means that they probably were druids or at the very least knew some kind of magic...which JZB does....what if just as the Keltars are the guardians of the compact and keep the walls of faerie up, there is another druid/holy man line that was created to guard over the dark hallows and Jericho is part of them? Searching for the book and other hallows because they had been stolen, and he was the last ("Omega") of his clan and it was his responsibility to find it.
I really like your idea, and it makes logical sense when we think of the synchronicity aspect...two parallel bloodlines, one watching the Seelie, one the Unseelie. I especially like your take on the Omega remark. Great thought.

[Cobaltfaery]

mac didnt freeze barrons when he had her by the throat in the bookstore. they were talking and the whole time she had her hands wrapped around his arm trying to break his choke hold....... jzb sure is confusing. and interesting. cant wait til faefever!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aislinn]

Whatever Barrons is, I believe he is immortal. There are too many references to him having an ancient look in his eyes. He knows so much about everything, and gives the impression he has learned it over time.

Also, there have been several incidents or things that he has said that seem to confirm this. One of which was when he and Mac went to visit Malluce and she stole the stones. Malluce asks Barrons if he has a death wish to which Barrons sarcastically replied something along the lines of yes, but you won't be helping me with it. And then again he tells Mac that she underestimates the value of brevity.

Barrons is a tortured soul, regardless of what he is. I think he is immortal but not happy with the situation. It may also explain why he seeks the dark book - he may know or believe that it could be a way for him to escape his immortality. We know how tormented Circenn was about having to watch everyone he had ever cared about die, and that he even refused to ever have another beloved pet. Even Adam had said that he would never again watch a Mortal woman he cared about die.

[shay]

Whatever Barrons is, I believe he is immortal. There are too many references to him having an ancient look in his eyes. He knows so much about everything, and gives the impression he has learned it over time.

Also, there have been several incidents or things that he has said that seem to confirm this. One of which was when he and Mac went to visit Malluce and she stole the stones. Malluce asks Barrons if he has a death wish to which Barrons sarcastically replied something along the lines of yes, but you won't be helping me with it. And then again he tells Mac that she underestimates the value of brevity.

Barrons is a tortured soul, regardless of what he is. I think he is immortal but not happy with the situation. It may also explain why he seeks the dark book - he may know or believe that it could be a way for him to escape his immortality. We know how tormented Circenn was about having to watch everyone he had ever cared about die, and that he even refused to ever have another beloved pet. Even Adam had said that he would never again watch a Mortal woman he cared about die.


i agree. do any of your'll think maybe Circenn could be 1 of the 5 to help Queen A?

[Aislinn]

i agree. do any of your'll think maybe Circenn could be 1 of the 5 to help Queen A?

I don't think it is Circenn. He is not a Druid, he is half fae and therefore has their abilities. Remember, Adam had tried for years to get him to learn but until he lost Lisa he was not remotely interested. Then Adam taught him how to use his Fae powers.

I believe that Barrons and Ryodan are the 2 other Druids. I also think that Barrons may be half Fae, but am certain that he is immortal one way or the other.

As to Ryodan, BloodfeverI keep going back to Barrons trusting him enough to make him #2 on Mac's list of people to call (only after himself), and Mac's thought when she was talking to Barrons on the cell-phone and heard Barrons & Ryodan fighting, that she wondered who or what was giving Barrons a run for his money in a fight.

[shay]

thanx aislinn! i havent read bloodfever yet cant wait to get it!

[dicrespo]

This is so cool. I finally have people that I can talk to about this things. LOL. I am new to this website and you have no idea how so many times I have this conversations is my mind. I feel better to see I am not the only one. I don't know what JB Is but my guess is he has to be a Fae, or half human, half fae with the inmortal thing going on.