Theory about Barrons

[QueenBoadica]

I just finished reading BF for the 2nd time and I don't know if this has been brought up before (frankly, I don't have the time to read all the threads to see if it has been suggested) but I think that Barrons might be Cruce (or be somehow associated with Cruce).

My reasons for this are many.

1. Karen said the glossary in the back contained spoilers and reading it again, Cruce is the mysterious, unknown character, no idea if he is Fae or not.

2. Barrons has a cuff, not the Cuff of Cruce, but it's possible there was more than one, especially if this Cruce character could make them.

3. Barrons knew at the auction that the amulet didn't belong to Cruce, which suggests some association with this Cruce character. He also knew about the mirrors, which Cruce cursed.

4. If he was this Cruce, this may explain why he can see Fae, since obviously, whatever Cruce was, he could see Fae, given his association with them.

As to what this Cruce/Barrons is, I was thinking he could be a half-Fae, like Adam's son Cicearnn (sp?). It would give him more powers than most mortals and possibly immortality. The books have never addressed whether Sidhe-Seers can detect half-Fae. My other thought was that Barrons was somehow related to the Druids, a Druid that formed an alliance with the Fae.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Done procrastinating from my real work.

[QueenBoadica]

Because I am a geek, about the Basque thing, I think Karen may just be giving us a hint he's really old or old blood thing.

Genetic research in Europe has been done trying to establish migration patterns of people during the Neolithic. These genetic studies used the Basques and a Middle Eastern group, I think, as the control, because of their isolation, they were deemed to be the group most likely to have the same or the most similar DNA to the original pre-Neolithic people of Europe. Basically, they compared peoples DNA to Basques and another group and decided that the majority of Europeans today descended from pre-Neolithic peoples rather than a massive migratory group of farmers from the Middle East (I have some major problems with the whole concept of the Basques being somehow the carriers of ancient DNA, like no other groups have ever intermarried with them, but that's just my little geeky critique).

So, Karen could just be attaching to this idea of the Basques being some of the original settlers of Europe, a pure, ancient group (which the Picts were also, btw, according to legend).

[*Jo*]

...:33: or trying to get us to focus in on mythological folklore to introduce an alter ego of JZB's cursed form...Thus tying other characters from previous books such as To Tame a Highland Warrior...:51:

[QueenBoadica]

Jo,

Good thought, I read some of the comments about the mythological ties to Barrons, but it's been awhile since I read any Irish myths (ah, the good old days when I could read things I wanted, I miss them so). Frankly, the only thing I remember about my Irish mythology is that story about the cattle raid, which seemed to go on forever and not amount to much. I was always more of a Joyce fan than a Irish mythology, I think it's because of my general dislike of cows (my mom has them all over her kitchen, and while I can understand and appreciate their importance and prestige in a herding society like the pre-historic Irish society, I just don't care that much to read a whole story about cattle raiding, unless it's made into a movie with a shirtless cute guy staring in it). When I get through my semester, maybe I'll reread my Irish stuff and come up with more insight.

[claudia celestial girl]

Karen could just be attaching to this idea of the Basques being some of the original settlers of Europe, a pure, ancient group (which the Picts were also, btw, according to legend).

I'm with you on this. And I also agree with Jo. It's just that it's hard to know just how much of the folklore will become part of what KMM considers her universe. (I'll make a guess that Mac's glossary will provide some handsome clues in that department, as well as the references that Mac looked up in her first few days in Dublin at the library from DF).

[LatinaLass]

I love the theory on Barrons. I have to reread Bloodfever. I just reread Darkfever and didn't pick up on any of the Cruce stuff except for the Cuff of Cruce. What pages are these things on so I can read them again? Just reading Darkfever really had me looking at Barrons again. Like him claiming that Mac world (the humans) was disapearing and no one knew it, but her. He's such an enigma.

[rhnmndz]

[QUOTE=QueenBoadica;
As to what this Cruce/Barrons is, I was thinking he could be a half-Fae, like Adam's son Cicearnn (sp?). It would give him more powers than most mortals and possibly immortality. The books have never addressed whether Sidhe-Seers can detect half-Fae. My other thought was that Barrons was somehow related to the Druids, a Druid that formed an alliance with the Fae.[QUOTE]

I love your theory on Barrons possible identity about being Cruce although some ladies have mentioned in the past about Barrons being possible off spring by QA and the Dark King (it was somehow suggested in the Into the Dreaming as some ladies had pointed out)...it's very possible since the Shades are repelled by him, the Lord Master acknowledged him in the cavern in BF with Mac but just lets him leave un harmed. :33:

I need to re-read DF and BF again...
thank you for the insight:happy0158:

[JLane89]

I just finished reading BF for the 2nd time and I don't know if this has been brought up before (frankly, I don't have the time to read all the threads to see if it has been suggested) but I think that Barrons might be Cruce (or be somehow associated with Cruce).

My reasons for this are many.

1. Karen said the glossary in the back contained spoilers and reading it again, Cruce is the mysterious, unknown character, no idea if he is Fae or not.

2. Barrons has a cuff, not the Cuff of Cruce, but it's possible there was more than one, especially if this Cruce character could make them.

3. Barrons knew at the auction that the amulet didn't belong to Cruce, which suggests some association with this Cruce character. He also knew about the mirrors, which Cruce cursed.

4. If he was this Cruce, this may explain why he can see Fae, since obviously, whatever Cruce was, he could see Fae, given his association with them.

As to what this Cruce/Barrons is, I was thinking he could be a half-Fae, like Adam's son Cicearnn (sp?). It would give him more powers than most mortals and possibly immortality. The books have never addressed whether Sidhe-Seers can detect half-Fae. My other thought was that Barrons was somehow related to the Druids, a Druid that formed an alliance with the Fae.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Done procrastinating from my real work.

Personally, I think that Barrons is the son of Lisa and Circen (spl?). It would explain a lot. Like the fact that Barrons siad he's Pict and Celt. Circen was both. Also, he'd be part Fae because Adam Black was a Fae. Just a theory, though.

[HopeChasez]

Personally, I think that Barrons is the son of Lisa and Circen (spl?). It would explain a lot. Like the fact that Barrons siad he's Pict and Celt. Circen was both. Also, he'd be part Fae because Adam Black was a Fae. Just a theory, though.


If Barrons was the son of Lisa and Circenn, he would have to be immortal. But in one of the last Highlander books, there was mention that Lisa and Circenn's immortality were "revoked." Being half-Fae doesn't make you immortal. Circenn was only immortal because Adam gave him a drink from the flask. I think it was in Adam's story that he mentioned taking the immortality away from Lisa and Circenn so that they can live their normal, warm-hearted, emotion-full mortal lives. So if Barrons is their son, he would have had to have drank from that flask...and I don't know if Adam would have done that (or if he did, wouldn't he have revoked it at the same time as Lisa and Circenn? Of course, if Barrons liked being cold and immortal, I guess Adam would let him keep it...but being Lisa and Circenn's son, and them both not really wanting to be cold and immortal, probably wouldn't want their son to have to go through that...and if Barrons was a good son, he wouldn't want to do that to his parents....)

....

*thud* :th_thud:

say what?

[Shewolfe]

If Barrons was the son of Lisa and Circenn, he would have to be immortal. But in one of the last Highlander books, there was mention that Lisa and Circenn's immortality were "revoked." Being half-Fae doesn't make you immortal. Circenn was only immortal because Adam gave him a drink from the flask. I think it was in Adam's story that he mentioned taking the immortality away from Lisa and Circenn so that they can live their normal, warm-hearted, emotion-full mortal lives. So if Barrons is their son, he would have had to have drank from that flask...and I don't know if Adam would have done that (or if he did, wouldn't he have revoked it at the same time as Lisa and Circenn? Of course, if Barrons liked being cold and immortal, I guess Adam would let him keep it...but being Lisa and Circenn's son, and them both not really wanting to be cold and immortal, probably wouldn't want their son to have to go through that...and if Barrons was a good son, he wouldn't want to do that to his parents....)

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*thud* :th_thud:

say what?

FYI QA made Circenn & Lisa mortal again so they could keep their souls. :03:

[HopeChasez]

FYI QA made Circenn & Lisa mortal again so they could keep their souls. :03:

Right, right. But it still goes that two immortal people can't birth an immortal child...still need that flask. I guess I just don't think Barrons is their son. o_O