New theory on Alina

[Jennifer]

I just "talked" to Jo about this, she gave me the courage to post it.....wasn't sure if it was too "out there" or not, but here goes!

WHAT do you think of Alina being alive? I just re-read Darkfever AGAIN, and I really got to thinking about the part (top of pg. 276) when she is sitting on the steps inside of 1247 LaRuhe, and she said she "felt her presence strongly it was almost as if she were standing right behind me saying, I love you, Jr. I'm here with you. You can do this. I know you can." And then when she is walking past the mirrors (midway down pg.278) she "noticed that there was something really wrong with the mirrors on the walls. So wrong, in fact , that after glancing into the first few, I stopped looking and stepped up my pace sharply. Those surreal-looking glasses were my first taste of the true "otherness" of the Fae." Do you think they trapped Alina in a mirror, or even if not that, trapped her somewhere? Like Cian was stuck in the mirror? Maybe she could have been healed, like Druids heal, and how JB helped heal Mac? And Jo brought up a good point too (love ya Jo:D) , about all the bites on her.....vampire bites? Possibly? Malluce'? Is she 'undead'?:33:

[*Jo*]

:happy0158:...there, Jennifer. I HAD forgotton about this myself ! I have to go back and reread. Trapped yup! That could work . So who was the body of ? Another O'Connor that looks like Alina ?!!! They do seem to look alike per the old lady rapping Mac on the head with her purse...Twice in fact ! OR Alina undead...HHuuummmm....:33:

[Michelle*My*Belle]

I have just reread it too. I thought that there was somthing fishy about those mirrors. I think that what ever it is, in the next book we will be shocked that we missed the clues in the first book. But my opinion is this. I really do get the impression that whatever is in the mirrors and the dark shape outside that Mac refuses to see is something she's not ready to deal with. Either her sister in a different form, I mean what happens to a seer when she dies? Or maybe her bio-mom or something EVIL??:51:

[*Jo*]

I have just reread it too. I thought that there was somthing fishy about those mirrors. I think that what ever it is, in the next book we will be shocked that we missed the clues in the first book. But my opinion is this. I really do get the impression that whatever is in the mirrors and the dark shape outside that Mac refuses to see is something she's not ready to deal with. Either her sister in a different form, I mean what happens to a seer when she dies? Or maybe her bio-mom or something EVIL??:51:
...like me ?!! Or the identity of JB...Tune into tomorrow. Same BAT time. Same Bat channel...

[Michelle*My*Belle]

...like me ?!! Or the identity of JB...Tune into tomorrow. Same BAT time. Same Bat channel...


JO! U R NOT EVIL!(?) You are too nice to be that mean!

[Jennifer]

I have just reread it too. I thought that there was somthing fishy about those mirrors. I think that what ever it is, in the next book we will be shocked that we missed the clues in the first book. But my opinion is this. I really do get the impression that whatever is in the mirrors and the dark shape outside that Mac refuses to see is something she's not ready to deal with. Either her sister in a different form, I mean what happens to a seer when she dies? Or maybe her bio-mom or something EVIL??:51:

Oooooo.....Michelle you just gave me goosebumps, literally, I was raising my coffee cup to my lips and I froze when I read that part ~her sister in a different form~ whoa, that's heavy, very well put!!!!! Not many people can give me goosebumps! Could you imagine seeing your sister in an eerie form, as something else? I wouldn't be able to sleep another day of my life........

[Michelle*My*Belle]

Oooooo.....Michelle you just gave me goosebumps, literally, I was raising my coffee cup to my lips and I froze when I read that part ~her sister in a different form~ whoa, that's heavy, very well put!!!!! Not many people can give me goosebumps! Could you imagine seeing your sister in an eerie form, as something else? I wouldn't be able to sleep another day of my life........

Yea. Maybe she will have all the holes in her and look like she did when she died? I'm overthinking this tho. I'm sure it will be something else and we will find out in book 5.

[Jennifer]

...like me ?!! Or the identity of JB...Tune into tomorrow. Same BAT time. Same Bat channel...

AAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Jo you are SO freakin' hilarious!!!!:happy0194: I started laughing so hard, Gunner actually hopped up on me to see what was wrong!!!:happy0194: You SLAY me!!! :18-vi:

[Jennifer]

Yea. Maybe she will have all the holes in her and look like she did when she died? I'm overthinking this tho. I'm sure it will be something else and we will find out in book 5.

Aaaaaaaahh! Michelle stop it! That pic is macabre! I have to go to bed you know!:31:

[Michelle*My*Belle]

I wouldn't have to worry about looking for my sister. If I saw that looking back at me from the otherside of a mirror, I'd die on the spot!:th_thud:

[MissAmy]

You girls are so funny...I don't even have to watch a movie.. You are great entertainers...lol

[Jennifer]

I wouldn't have to worry about looking for my sister. If I saw that looking back at me from the otherside of a mirror, I'd die on the spot!:th_thud:

Now you've got me thinking of some pretty scary stuff.......rememer the scene from Poltergeist........singing.....
"Gooooddddd is in his holy temmmmple"?:ring: Okay I am going to stop rambling now.......maybe Jo and I should star in our own show on the Bat Channel........:th_crazy:

[Cheryle]

I like the idea of Alina being alive! How do we really know that was Alina's body because it was tore up like an animal got to it. Soooo Good Theroy! :happy0158:

[alba]

Manannán gave feth fiada to the Tuatha De Danann, the power to remain invisible from mortal eyes this is what Adam Talked about in Immortal maybe a druid or fae gave alina this Feth Fiada if she is not dead....

[*Jo*]

JO! U R NOT EVIL!(?) You are too nice to be that mean!
Okay Michelle....I JUST love that avi ! Batgirl w/ red hair...Actually strawberry blonde like moi. TOO bad though, I don't have that bod !

[*Jo*]

Yea. Maybe she will have all the holes in her and look like she did when she died? I'm overthinking this tho. I'm sure it will be something else and we will find out in book 5.
I was JUST talking 'bout this chick in movieland...It was the question you asked...

[*Jo*]

Now you've got me thinking of some pretty scary stuff.......rememer the scene from Poltergeist........singing.....
"Gooooddddd is in his holy temmmmple"?:ring: Okay I am going to stop rambling now.......maybe Jo and I should star in our own show on the Bat Channel........:th_crazy:
WE'd get cancelled. No doubt about it...

[MaryKate]

I would love for Alina to be alive, but I dont know if Mac is "meant" to do this on her own.....I DONT KNOW!! But I do agree about the mirrors....something has got to be up with those. Hopefully, we will see in the next book.

[Chakacool]

I can't remember exactly but didn't they send the body home and Mac had to identify it? I think she's dead. I mean if you look at the mirrors there are ones of the Fae that they used to travel between the worlds with ( I know someone mentioned it on the board here somewhere). That may be what Mac was seeing because of Darroc having been a Fae he knows all the artifacts and stuff like that. He'd know what they were for and how to use them. I think she's truly dead because if Mac had seen Alina then the story would be different. And I also believe that Darroc said he had Alina killed or did it... I have to re-read. I will soon. :)

I hope I didn't crush too many dreams... :(

Kristin

[*Jo*]

I can't remember exactly but didn't they send the body home and Mac had to identify it? I think she's dead. I mean if you look at the mirrors there are ones of the Fae that they used to travel between the worlds with ( I know someone mentioned it on the board here somewhere). That may be what Mac was seeing because of Darroc having been a Fae he knows all the artifacts and stuff like that. He'd know what they were for and how to use them. I think she's truly dead because if Mac had seen Alina then the story would be different. And I also believe that Darroc said he had Alina killed or did it... I have to re-read. I will soon. :)

I hope I didn't crush too many dreams... :(

Kristin
...I would have to agree with Jennifer's deduction. Alina must be undead...mirror walker, shade, whatever. One of those things that go BUMP in the night. Ancient folklore of all areas of the world, geographical communities all have the same type, characteristics and groups of GHOULIES...
So for this series of Karen's books, we are asked to believe in the beasties, with the promise of many more to come.

[Deja]

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My boyfriend thinks Alina is alive and being held captive as a bargaining chip in the end before the big battle. WE both feel JB is related to Aedan in some way. He also thinks that the noise in JB's crypt is the last Vengence before Aedan who has lost his mind either before he was freed from serving the Dark king or "because of" his service to the Unseelie king.. what do You think?
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By the way never be afraid to post an idea no matter how far out, Thats the fun of it....Hey check what I said about JB's heritage.______________

[*Jo*]

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My boyfriend thinks Alina is alive and being held captive as a bargaining chip in the end before the big battle. WE both feel JB is related to Aedan in some way. He also thinks that the noise in JB's crypt is the last Vengence before Aedan who has lost his mind either before he was freed from serving the Dark king or "because of" his service to the Unseelie king.. what do You think?
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By the way never be afraid to post an idea no matter how far out, Thats the fun of it....Hey check what I said about JB's heritage.______________
I did....I saw....AND commented. If we all read the same book, had the same opinion about everything, same likes & dislikes about it WHY would we even bother to join in THIS board ?!! Difference of opinion makes the world go round...

[Jennifer]

I can't remember exactly but didn't they send the body home and Mac had to identify it? I think she's dead. I mean if you look at the mirrors there are ones of the Fae that they used to travel between the worlds with ( I know someone mentioned it on the board here somewhere). That may be what Mac was seeing because of Darroc having been a Fae he knows all the artifacts and stuff like that. He'd know what they were for and how to use them. I think she's truly dead because if Mac had seen Alina then the story would be different. And I also believe that Darroc said he had Alina killed or did it... I have to re-read. I will soon. :)

I hope I didn't crush too many dreams... :(

Kristin



You didn't crush my dreams! It's only an opinion......everbody's got one.....that's what we're all here for, to share our THEORIES. Nobody knows yet what will happen, so we could all be wrong for all we know........

[Jennifer]

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My boyfriend thinks Alina is alive and being held captive as a bargaining chip in the end before the big battle. WE both feel JB is related to Aedan in some way. He also thinks that the noise in JB's crypt is the last Vengence before Aedan who has lost his mind either before he was freed from serving the Dark king or "because of" his service to the Unseelie king.. what do You think?
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By the way never be afraid to post an idea no matter how far out, Thats the fun of it....Hey check what I said about JB's heritage.______________



Yes Deja! I just now found that, took me a while looking for it..........so, yes, I guess we agree! Great minds think alike! Or not.......:49:

[JOJO]

Great theory Jennifer. I love reading all the different theories. Keep them comming we do not care how crazy. I personally think that Mac and Gabby are going to be like cousins or something. I can not wait for them to meet. Adam and JB in the same room would be a fight waiting to happen.

[*Jo*]

Great theory Jennifer. I love reading all the different theories. Keep them comming we do not care how crazy. I personally think that Mac and Gabby are going to be like cousins or something. I can not wait for them to meet. Adam and JB in the same room would be a fight waiting to happen.
...Adam is already taken...TWO alphas, definitely single, JB & a new MacKeltar male would be explosive...

[Cheryle]

...Adam is already taken...TWO alphas, definitely single, JB & a new MacKeltar male would be explosive...


Let the Fireworks begin!

[Jennifer]

Let the Fireworks begin!

I swear Cheryle, I am so sick over waiting for these blasted "fireworks" I am going to be sick! SICK, I tell you, before October EVER arrives.......:th_puke:

[Cheryle]

I swear Cheryle, I am so sick over waiting for these blasted "fireworks" I am going to be sick! SICK, I tell you, before October EVER arrives.......:th_puke:

I know, I am ready for this book, thankfully there are a few must reads I have in between but I am anticipating this one the most! What can I say I am a die hard.

[*Jo*]

I swear Cheryle, I am so sick over waiting for these blasted "fireworks" I am going to be sick! SICK, I tell you, before October EVER arrives.......:th_puke:
YUP ! That about sums my thoughts up exactly. CRAP this is getting harder as we get closer...UNLESS I can get my hands on the last teaser booklet that Leiha told us about .............***********.........WAITING>>>>>>!!!!!!!

[Pyxie]

Ok, I know this is a really old thread but when I read it you guys mentioned the mirrors. I remember now how freaked out Mac was. Could it be possible that the mirrors at 1247 LaRhue, are actually the Fae silvers that Mac mentions in her glossary? The same silvers that CRUCE has placed a forbidden curse on, so that no Fae dare use them to travel between realms? So could that also mean that Darroc is Cruce? As in the Cuff of Cruce? This is something I was wondering about in the Cuff of Cruce thread that I posted - Cruce would fit Darroc - He was Fae and is now human. He has definitely crossed over. :33:

[Danielle42]

I just "talked" to Jo about this, she gave me the courage to post it.....wasn't sure if it was too "out there" or not, but here goes!

WHAT do you think of Alina being alive? I just re-read Darkfever AGAIN, and I really got to thinking about the part (top of pg. 276) when she is sitting on the steps inside of 1247 LaRuhe, and she said she "felt her presence strongly it was almost as if she were standing right behind me saying, I love you, Jr. I'm here with you. You can do this. I know you can." And then when she is walking past the mirrors (midway down pg.278) she "noticed that there was something really wrong with the mirrors on the walls. So wrong, in fact , that after glancing into the first few, I stopped looking and stepped up my pace sharply. Those surreal-looking glasses were my first taste of the true "otherness" of the Fae." Do you think they trapped Alina in a mirror, or even if not that, trapped her somewhere? Like Cian was stuck in the mirror? Maybe she could have been healed, like Druids heal, and how JB helped heal Mac? And Jo brought up a good point too (love ya Jo:D) , about all the bites on her.....vampire bites? Possibly? Malluce'? Is she 'undead'?:33:


I hadn't thought about the mirrors but I think you're right in wondering what's up with them..

That said, I think Alina is really and truly dead. Remember, Mac was the one who ID'd the body and I cannot imagine someone mis-identifying the body of a dearly loved sister. If anything, when someone dies, you want to convince yourself it's not true - not accidentally convince yourself it's true when it isn't.

[Kelly]

Okay at first when I read Jennifer's theory I was like NO Way she identified her body-----------then I remember her saying that the body was pretty mutilated so that got me thinking maybe it was a trick. Maybe that really wasn't Alina's body. Maybe it was bait to get Mac to come to Dublin b/c for some reason they need both Nulls. HMM I still don't know but I am not going to rule this theory out yet.

[Susiq2]

I wouldn't have to worry about looking for my sister. If I saw that looking back at me from the other side of a mirror, I'd die on the spot!:th_thud:

Really, Almost anyone would drop dead, even after everything that Mac has seen, and had happen to her, I believe that would put her over the edge. We need to remember that Mac saw her sister, and she was "embalmed"(?), and buried in a coffin in the earth. It is possible that a look a like was buried, but then where is she?:confused:

[Kathryn]

So, and nobody kill me if I'm wrong, what if- the sidhe-seers killed Alina? Stay with me here...

Alina was out working on something for the LM, and he gave her the sword to do it. One of the sidhe-seers saw her with it and immediately reported back to Rowena. Rowena's proven that she's ruthless enough to attack one of her own kind. Perhaps things got out of hand. No matter how it happened, Alina was left injured and alone and perhaps she was preyed upon after the other sidhe-seers had left.

Ok, reasons I like this theory:
1. Dani only has a few kills racked up with the sword. Say, approximately the number she would get in the month that rowena possessed the sword before Mac met Dani.
2. Rowena wouldn't have wanted Alina dead, just incapacitated enough to get the sword, and her minions left Alina bleeding and alone in the alley.
3. With Alina being young, attractive, and incapacitated, there's no way an Unseelie would be able to resist the temptation she presented just lying there.

Any other thoughts? Speculation? My friends and I are all pretty much convinced of this theory now and I want to know if we're all crazy. Thanks

[snoopy]

If this is your theory......why would Alina take the time scratching in a clue that had nothing to do with Rowena???? She gave a clue to LM's location, nothing about Rowena and her crew.....this is why I think the theory is wrong:wno:.....anyone else???:skeptical:

[Kathryn]

Alina probably had no idea who Rowena was or even that she existed. She knew somebody had attacked her but she might've thought it was organized by the LM. Even if she didn't, she would have had no idea who it was and could only scratch in a small clue to alert her sister to the one mad she'd known was guilty.

[snoopy]

True.....but why would Rowena show herself to Mac and not to Alina?.....We have to remember that Alina was involved at this point longer than Mac.....just cannot forget the horrendous way Alina had died......and Rowena had to know "what" Alina was, especially if she knew exactly what Mac was.....:skeptical:thoughts to ponder over until the final chapter is written....but love all of the speculations.....:snick:

[cherri]

Besides, Alina had all those tiny needle marks all over her body...total otherworldly.

[snowstorm]

Why would Alina send her sister to a place where she knows Mac (jr) will be killed? I don't think the LM had her killed either. He needed Alina too much. With the book he could become Fae again ,without eating it, among other things.

4 hours before she died she called Mac and told her she didn't know what she was... So Mac wouldn't know how to protect herself at this point.

Alina must have made some other enemies, since in her diary she says she killed someone for the LM, and was going to ??? see/kill ??? her....

We know it looked like the Hunters got to her, but could they have just happened upon her? I think thats a stretch... Hunters have no loyalty, so anyone could have sent them after her.

Which means you're saying that Rowena isn't really who she says she is and she sent the hunters. Then who is she and how would she contact the hunters:skeptical:?

[Kathryn]

Wow, in my mind, I'm practically writing the whole backstory of this, and I'm so not as good as Karen! Lol. I just think that perhaps Rowena or one of her women saw Alina with the sword and when she tried to invite her into the fold, Alina refused because she was still in love with the LM. They decided to use force and when she was lying incapacitated in the alley, and Unseelie happened by and took advantage of the injured young woman. Of course this would be a huge coincidence, but as Mac says, "impossible really just means more likely to happen to MacKayla Lane". Maybe the same was true for Alina. So I don't think Rowena sent the hunters after her, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, as so often happens to Mac.

[snowstorm]

But the hunters are/were in leaque with the LM, so they would have known better then to kill the golden goose, so to speak.

I'm just curious, cause I don't trust Rowena either, I wonder if she had something to do with the shades at the abby?

[snoopy]

Okay....was it ever stated that Alina had the same powers as a sidh-seer like Mac??? I don't remember reading this (reading three different books at the same time) and that the LH need Alina for her "powers":skeptical:

[Kathryn]

I think that the hunters would never pass up an easy target, no matter with whom they were in league. Also, we know that hunters change their minds as easily as the environments around them.

And you know, I never thought about Rowena having anything to do with the shades. I've always mistrusted her, especially because she didn't even attempt to befriend Mac until after she saw the spear. I bet she did have something to do with it.

[disconcertedwoman]

Ok, my thoughts....
The Hunters are basicly mercenaries, they obey whoever pays them the most, but they aren't realy loyal, to my knowledge. As far as I can tell they work for the LM at the moment.
And I think I remeber reading that Mac has the same powers Alina had, they are sisters after all.
If you've read FF then you know what Rowena is capable of. I just think the LM may have gotten to Alina before Rowena could so maybe she didn't reveal herself to Alina to keep her and the rest of the sidhe-seers secret?

[snoopy]

Didn't like Rowena from the very beginning.....but still cannot place her as that evil to hurt Alina that way.....but I do like the theory of LH getting to Alina first, before Rowena....just never thought of it that way.....

[cherri]

It looks like they're both sidhe-seer, but maybe Alina wasn't a Null.

[Kathryn]

I don't think Rowena would ever intentionally kill another sidhe-seer, but we've seen that she doesn't mind attacking and harming one of her own. Perhaps Alina just didn't manage as well as Mac did when she was attacked. I'd like to believe that Rowena had nothing to do with Alina's murder, but I'd also like to believe that JZB is going to knock on my door and ask me to move into BB&B with him too. :wwink:

[snowstorm]

It looks like they're both sidhe-seer, but maybe Alina wasn't a Null.
Alina was a null too. in DF; Malluce tells the LM "shes a null,..., another one"

[snoopy]

Thanks for the reminder Snowstorm....and I like the way you think Kathryn....:snick:

[cherri]

Alina was a null too. in DF; Malluce tells the LM "shes a null,..., another one"

Thanks...forgot about that.

[CandiD.]

I've wondered if Rowena was in cohoots with the LM. I've gotten the impression from Rowena that she is quite merciless and willing to do anything to get what she wants. I think the LM would lie to Mac but I don't think Barrons has lied to her, so I don't think the LM killed Alina. Having said that, I'm not sure he wouldn't allow her to be roughed up a bit to get what he wants most. I've wondered if there is a greater conspiracy going on between the LM, Rowena, and that organization we keep hearing about in several of the books, and Alina found out something bigger than "oh, Darroc is Fae". Mostly I think that when we do find out what happened to Alina, and who is responsible for killing her, we will be surprised. Then again, I've had my doubts about Fiona long before we found out she joined with the LM. Maybe she already was...

[shanshanmomof4]

I have my doubts about Fiona too....I'm just not sure where they lead me but I think we will learn more about her in the next book.

[mcbburbs]

Wow, in my mind, I'm practically writing the whole backstory of this, and I'm so not as good as Karen! Lol. I just think that perhaps Rowena or one of her women saw Alina with the sword and when she tried to invite her into the fold, Alina refused because she was still in love with the LM. They decided to use force and when she was lying incapacitated in the alley, and Unseelie happened by and took advantage of the injured young woman. Of course this would be a huge coincidence, but as Mac says, "impossible really just means more likely to happen to MacKayla Lane". Maybe the same was true for Alina. So I don't think Rowena sent the hunters after her, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, as so often happens to Mac.

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Ok, I can see where you're going with this. I've always wondered about Rowenna. I never liked her. You can never really tell for sure who's side she's on or if she's in it for herself. But what you said is something to consider. I guess we'll have to keep guessing till the next book. Can't wait!!!!!!

[NiEssa]

I see your point, Kathryn...i don't remember Alina with the sword, but I believe you. It would only make sense that whomever got the sword from Alina gave it to Rowena, or Rowena had it taken. I also don't think she would send Mac to LaRue to get her killed, she knew LM wouldn't kill her outright because she's valuable. That doesn't mean he's a good guy...but that doesn't mean Row is innocent of the whole thing. It is perfectly plausible that she had the sword taken from Alina, however I think something else killed Alina not Row. Noone knows of her affiliations, and none can say without a shadow of a doubt that she wouldn't have someone killed to suit her. She wasn't worried about sending the girls to beat the devil out of Mac...but I digress. At this point I hate her and I don't know what killed Alina. I want to know JZB is and I want V'Lane to be a good guy, I want War to be a completely different character and I want my cake to eat of JZB's abs, but oh well....It'll be August before we get a sliver more info!!!:arghhh:

[scifi fan]

well I'm a noob, but I will put in my 2 cents. I don't trust Rowena, but I don't think the other sidhe-seers would injure one of their own and then leave her in an alley like that, unless of course they were all running for their lives... but I also don't think the LM killed her either. So, who did? I dunno, but I will be real happy to find out! :smile:

also, I'm not much of a magic & spells kinda reader, but there I was today at the bookstore picking up various KM Highlander novels to see how they tie in to this story. lol. this storyline has caught me in it's snare.

[snowstorm]

Does anyone know what Alina's middle name of Mackenna means? Is it another clan name or does it have a special meaning besides child of the fair one.

Have we seen the name MacKenna before in any of the books?

[-^-Lin-^-]

Can you remember when discussing this not to include things that happen in Faefever.

There is also a thread in the Faefever Discussion forum all about Alina you might be interested in