The Barrons Enigma: Etymology

[oracle]

Ok we've written much about this elsewhere but I wanted to add my spin to meaning of the name and my reasoning so here we go:

Jericho = moon

From Wikipedia:

Jericho (Arabic أريحا (help·info), ʼArīḥā; Hebrew יְרִיחוֹ (help·info), Standard Yəriḥo Tiberian Yərîḫô / Yərîḥô; derived from the word meaning "moon," as the city was an early center of worship for lunar deities;[1] Canaanite Yareah, Greek Ἱεριχώ) is a town in the West Bank, located within the Jericho Governorate, near the Jordan River

Barrons = warrior

From House of Names (Thx MeShelle!):


The name barrons is an occupational surname, deriving from the word for title of a baron. The surname barrons was also applied as a nickname to a person with a regal or dignified bearing reminiscent of a baron. The Gaelic form of the name barrons is Barun.

Which leads me to...

From Wikipedia:

Baron is a specific title of nobility. The word baron comes from Spanish barón, itself from Frankish baro meaning "freeman, warrior"; it merged with cognate Old English beorn meaning "nobleman."

Jericho Barrons = Moon Warrior

Now let's play with that ladies...

[MeShelle]

Your welcome... See i knew that website would help...lol. Ok so Moon Warrior, i would of never thought to put them together, Good Job.Sounds Right to me

[oracle]

From the same Wikipedia entry re: "Baron":


In Scotland, the rank of baron is a rank related to feudal nobility of Scotland and refers to a holder of a feudal barony, a feudal superiority over a proper territorial entity erected into a free barony by a Crown Charter, and not a rank of Peerage. The common Scots term for this position is Laird.

Thanks MeShelle...

[MeShelle]

Ok so Moon Warrior and or laird of someplace... Lots to think about here

[claudia celestial girl]

Jericho Barrons = Moon Warrior


whuh! I really like this! and Laird of ... what? When he says 'my city' (wanting all the Unseelie out of it), is that his territory? His ' castle' is a lot bigger inside than it looks outside, and he has that whole city block for a garage, which I'll bet it doesn't look that way from the outside.

But he doesn't seem to be affected by the moon. Remember when McCabe said that it was almost a full moon out, and BArrons was like - things can get weird anytime ...

BTW - I agree with someone who said that we would see McCabe again. I've been thinking that McCabe seemed to know an aweful lot - and might know about Barrons' 'condition'. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it unfolds!

Oh yeah - ps - do you think Jericho is a warrior - for 'good'?

[oracle]

whuh! I really like this! and Laird of ... what? When he says 'my city' (wanting all the Unseelie out of it), is that his territory? His ' castle' is a lot bigger inside than it looks outside, and he has that whole city block for a garage, which I'll bet it doesn't look that way from the outside.

His store is definitely a bastion that holds the shades out of the Temple Bar District. Its light keeps them at bay even at night. That might be his realm.


But he doesn't seem to be affected by the moon. Remember when McCabe said that it was almost a full moon out, and BArrons was like - things can get weird anytime...

I think his being a moon warrior may mean:
a) his power is derived from the moon and I would say at any time of its phases. Who needs a full moon when you are a warrior directly connected to it? That thought leads me to some more research...

b) he is a protector of the moon or what the moon represents.


Oh yeah - ps - do you think Jericho is a warrior - for 'good'?

I think he is a warrior for good of questionable scruples who has seen so much in his life that the lines blur but his intentions are noble.

[Delanie]

Well...if we look at cletic mythology and research, not just beyond the name, but the hallows and the line of reasoning behind the books....there were guardians of the hallows...

Here is where you can read (http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/arthuriana2z/h.htm)

We know that the MacKelter were guardians of the 'lore' of the fae and that they have mentioned in the past books other guardians. What about guardians not of the hallows, but the 'good' fae realm itself. Would there not be sentinenals to guard the entrances and exits to the 'worlds' If you dig deeper into the above website, as well as, the Dictionary of Celtic Mythology, you will see that there are references to such sentinels. Would these sentinels themselve be fae or even human form with fae background? Why not another Cian? Why not another human part fae that has powers? Or one fae that was long ago sent out into the human world, by choice, to guard against what is happening. Or even that a fae turned their back on the such an existence, but has now, because of circumstances, been drawn back into this world in order to thwart the power of evil...

As to the meaning of names, sometimes, it is not always the name...but just the sound of it, that implies power of an individual...what constitutes a strong name...and then again...it is not the name but the person themselves, their background, that that which remains a mystery, that may lend credence to the implication of power.

I know that we don't have a lot to go on...and unfortunately I gave my books to the charity shop before I came home this last time...because I just couldn't fit them into my suitcases nor have the funds to send them home...so I haven't read Darkfever since it came out...

[stormsandsins]

whuh! I really like this! and Laird of ... what? When he says 'my city' (wanting all the Unseelie out of it), is that his territory? His ' castle' is a lot bigger inside than it looks outside, and he has that whole city block for a garage, which I'll bet it doesn't look that way from the outside.

Aha! Now that's something to mull over! Seeing as he seems Old-Worldly to Mac, maybe he's just that: A laird (did they have lairds in Ireland? I forget) who's been thrust in the future for some as yet unexplained reason... Maybe to safeguard 'his city'.

'Kay, that's probably grasping wildly at straws, but it's a verrry interesting thought... considering the Highlander books have an element of time traveling to them (some of them? I haven't read any of 'em yet). lol Watch us all digging for the exact territory he'd have been controlling (control? Oh that's even more interesting, seeing as he's a control freak. OMG LIGHTBULB MOMENTS SWEEEET)

[*Jo*]

a damned or cursed by magic Vilkacis/warrior/fae prince/sorcerer/Unseelie in search of the Dark Book for blackmail or to use it to lift his curse...:33:
JB has been defined as Basque-Celt. Basque folklore associates shape sifters with beserkers (Tame a Highland Warrior) and vilkacis and classify them as warriors of immense power.
I believe that JB might possibly be the owner of the red & black tartan that Cian lifted from Lucan was he was damned to the Dark Glass in Spell.
There were 4 primary clans linked to these colors : Cummings, Brodie :03:(Highlander's Touch), Ramsey, and MacQueen.
I believe JB is linked to the clan MacQueen somehow. Son of the queen ('A') ?
Also the clan crest is that of a wolf, head & neck view.
I believe that JB is an unseelie fae because he tells Mac, " ...you can't tell the difference between seelie & unseelie fae of the royal house" and because of the color torque & cuff JB has worn. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
THAT"S MY story and I'm sticking to it !!!:65:

[miss lulu]

whuh! I really like this! and Laird of ... what? When he says 'my city' (wanting all the Unseelie out of it), is that his territory? His ' castle' is a lot bigger inside than it looks outside, and he has that whole city block for a garage, which I'll bet it doesn't look that way from the outside.

But he doesn't seem to be affected by the moon. Remember when McCabe said that it was almost a full moon out, and BArrons was like - things can get weird anytime ...

BTW - I agree with someone who said that we would see McCabe again. I've been thinking that McCabe seemed to know an aweful lot - and might know about Barrons' 'condition'. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it unfolds!

Oh yeah - ps - do you think Jericho is a warrior - for 'good'?

That would be me Claudia! I wrote that McCabe could be a werewolf since he said to JB "it's almost a full moon, things can get dangers here", something like that.

But that was a great insight Oracle!

Claudia I think JB has good intensions but he is not 100% good, maybe 75/100%?

Remember he has loved before.

[miss lulu]

a damned or cursed by magic Vilkacis/warrior/fae prince/sorcerer/Unseelie in search of the Dark Book for blackmail or to use it to lift his curse...:33:
JB has been defined as Basque-Celt. Basque folklore associates shape sifters with beserkers (Tame a Highland Warrior) and vilkacis and classify them as warriors of immense power.
I believe that JB might possibly be the owner of the red & black tartan that Cian lifted from Lucan was he was damned to the Dark Glass in Spell.
There were 4 primary clans linked to these colors : Cummings, Brodie :03:(Highlander's Touch), Ramsey, and MacQueen.
I believe JB is linked to the clan MacQueen somehow. Son of the queen ('A') ?
Also the clan crest is that of a wolf, head & neck view.
I believe that JB is an unseelie fae because he tells Mac, " ...you can't tell the difference between seelie & unseelie fae of the royal house" and because of the color torque & cuff JB has worn. So far, JB is the only royal that the adornments have been made of silver...All others relating to the seelie fae have been of yellow golden nature whether worn by druids or fae alike.
THAT"S MY story and I'm sticking to it !!!:65:

Ya the whole silver torque is a sign of unseelie royality.
I like your story!

[Liberty]

Hm... :33: moon warrior eh?
I still think that he's part of a clan who's job is to protected the unseelie hollows, to make sure that it doesn't end up in the wrong hands, keeping the power balance.

[oracle]

Jo - I do agree that his cuff and torque indicate his royalty but I am not quite convinced that he is Unseelie. My spidey-sense says no to that. He is something tho..only time will tell...

Kisses

[miss lulu]

Jericho Barrons = Moon Warrior

Now let's play with that ladies...

OK, do not kill me but the first thing that came to mind was Sailor Moon! Not that JB will ever be a hyper little cartoon girl! But that's what I thought.

:33:You say Moon Warrior right so, what happens if their is another alien race out there that is like seelie/unseelie. Remember they were kick out of their home planet Danu. What if JB is part of the race that kicked out Queen A and everyone and has come to Earth to get the book for whatever reason?

I know it's really out there, but what if? :6:OK bring on the "no lulu you lost it!"

[MeShelle]

You actually might be right because i think it was in immortal adam said how there was this race that could go through time or something like that (dont have the book with me know its in my sisters house). He said that he believed they were a legend or myth, he had never seen one so he doesnt believe them to exist.

[stormsandsins]

Hmm. I was re-reading Darkfever today and was thinking...

It seems like the Gray Man knew Barrons:

The Unseelie looked from Barrons to the spearhead [...] its eyes blazing with disbelief, hatred, and rage.

Though its wrath was for Barrons...

So, why was it so surprised/incredulous? Why was it so hateful towards Barrons? Was it because he couldn't believe Barrons, who might be in league with the Unseelie, would actually kill him? We don't exactly know his motive(s) for finding the Sinsar Dubh, but I think Barrons is a (damned) Fae prince or a Seelie/Unseelie (I can't quite decide myself on which he could be. He seems good, but then maybe that's just a little something called moral fiber) who wants the book if only to rid himself of the curse and save Mankind... and a certain sidhe-seer :anim_naughty-vi:. Or maybe just save himself... and a certain sidhe-seer lol. Because I really think he's starting to care more for Mac than just as his bloodhound (he did kiss her -- maybe -- in Darkfever, and definitely in Bloodfever, according to the snippet from the newsletter). Maybe he's turning against his race. Maybe he likes being human(-ish).

Bottom line is, I think the Gray Man gave a lot of clues as to where Barrons stands -- killing one of your 'kind' takes a lot, I should think -- and where he comes from.

[oracle]

Hmm. I was re-reading Darkfever today and was thinking...

It seems like the Gray Man knew Barrons:

The Unseelie looked from Barrons to the spearhead [...] its eyes blazing with disbelief, hatred, and rage.

Though its wrath was for Barrons...

So, why was it so surprised/incredulous? Why was it so hateful towards Barrons? Was it because he couldn't believe Barrons, who might be in league with the Unseelie, would actually kill him? We don't exactly know his motive(s) for finding the Sinsar Dubh, but I think Barrons is a (damned) Fae prince or a Seelie/Unseelie (I can't quite decide myself on which he could be. He seems good, but then maybe that's just a little something called moral fiber) who wants the book if only to rid himself of the curse and save Mankind... and a certain sidhe-seer :anim_naughty-vi:. Or maybe just save himself... and a certain sidhe-seer lol. Because I really think he's starting to care more for Mac than just as his bloodhound (he did kiss her -- maybe -- in Darkfever, and definitely in Bloodfever, according to the snippet from the newsletter). Maybe he's turning against his race. Maybe he likes being human(-ish).

Bottom line is, I think the Gray Man gave a lot of clues as to where Barrons stands -- killing one of your 'kind' takes a lot, I should think -- and where he comes from.

I re-read that part today and I didn't get the same sense that you did, although I'm obsessed with JB and his possible Fae-ness. I think the Gray Man was outraged at JB for stabbing him, angered at the fact that he who stole beauty and took life at will was dying. Death is not something the Gray Man was worried about and there he was...dying.

I do think though, when Barrons meets the Lord Master in the last fight scene in the book, the way Darroc looks at him in shock could be more of a clue that JB is in the inner circle of Faedom somehow...

[stormsandsins]

Maybe it's just me, but I would think the Gray Man would be outraged at not being able to take women's beauty anymore... not necessarily at his own death itself.

Are we absolutely certain it's Darroc in the LM scene? I can't remember. I only haven't read it in two days :03: Plus I know nothing about the Highlander books. Yet. But there's definitely more to that scene that what's on the surface, that's for sure. And yes, I agree with you, he (Barrons) is definitely in on what's going on in Faedom... That, plus his... gifts (*Jo* thinks he's a Vilkacis (sp?) which I'm about 90% with), plus that scene where he tells Mac that Malucé's been sent away, plus him having talked to V'lane about Mac... All of that combined is very interesting indeed!

I had a theory a bit ago where I thought Barrons might be an ancient laird sent ahead in time (his comment -- can't remember where -- where he calls Dublin 'my' city is verrry interesting) for some reason.

[miss lulu]

I had a theory a bit ago where I thought Barrons might be an ancient laird sent ahead in time (his comment -- can't remember where -- where he calls Dublin 'my' city is verrry interesting) for some reason.



I like your theory here!!! I was talking to my sister about this not to long ago. Also in the booklet the inspector/detetive asks if JB was born in Ireland and he say no, so this confuses me.:crying-vi:

But do you also remember what he said to Mac? Something like "your planet" Would not say "our planet"?

So if he was a druid would he not still be a human of this planet, or at least be born here?

[oracle]

Maybe it's just me, but I would think the Gray Man would be outraged at not being able to take women's beauty anymore... not necessarily at his own death itself.

I definitely feel you on Gray Man's outrage at his loss of power...I think he's shocked that he can and is actually dying. That outrage is magnified by the fact that he can no longer destroy the beautiful. I think killing him, in a way, puts him out of his misery, since he is so ugly and bitter about being ugly that he punishes the beautiful. Notice how his stealing doesn't make him any less ugly? And he kills those that are too beautiful for him to stand instead of letting them live so he can revisit them and revel in their suffering. Regardless, that bastard is dead...thanks Mac & JB!!


Are we absolutely certain it's Darroc in the LM scene?

It definitely is Darroc:

I stared in disbelief at Alina's boyfriend, the Lord Master. p.289


He and my sister must have turned heads all over the city, yet no one had ever been able to tell me what color his hair was.

It was shimmering copper, streaked with gold, and it fell to his waist...His skin was tanned gold and smooth...his strange copper eyess held the arrogance and entitlement of aristocracy...The only thing that marred his perfection was a long scar running down his left cheek, fom cheekbone to the corner of his mouth, and it didn't really mar him at all. It made him more intriguing. pp. 276-277

In The Immortal Highlander that is the description of Darroc, scar and all...


I had a theory a bit ago where I thought Barrons might be an ancient laird sent ahead in time (his comment -- can't remember where -- where he calls Dublin 'my' city is verrry interesting) for some reason.

That fits in with another part of this thread where the title "Barron" is equivalent to "Laird" in Scotland. Though, this isn't altogether that neat since we're in Ireland...we shall see.

[miss lulu]

[QUOTE=oracle;9762]


It definitely is Darroc:
p.289

pp. 276-277

In The Immortal Highlander that is the description of Darroc, scar and all...
QUOTE]


Yes, it is Darroc! By not only the description but in the very begin of Immortal (sorry I don't have the book at the moment) Darroc is talking to someone and than in his head about how is going to get Ireland back! That he has this whole master plot and needs someone to watch over Queen B... I mean Queen A.

It is in the prologue!!!

[oracle]

I definitely have to check that out. Besides, Darroc needs some studying of his own...

[stormsandsins]

[quote=oracle;9762]


It definitely is Darroc:
p.289

pp. 276-277

In The Immortal Highlander that is the description of Darroc, scar and all...
QUOTE]


Yes, it is Darroc! By not only the description but in the very begin of Immortal (sorry I don't have the book at the moment) Darroc is talking to someone and than in his head about how is going to get Ireland back! That he has this whole master plot and needs someone to watch over Queen B... I mean Queen A.

It is in the prologue!!!

I can't really keep up with you guys there. Haven't read the Highlander books yet. But I'll trust you guys on that. I was wondering about that scar as I was reading, though, so I guess I have some good reading skills after all. All that Harry Potter must have paid off :03:

[oracle]

Storms,

It will all make sense once you read The Immortal Highlander. As for HP, I ripped through that book as soon as I got it on July 21. My head was spinning after my one sitting read! Whew!