Reason that JZB is not Fae ...

[claudia celestial girl]

OK. Remember when JB decides to take Mac out and show her 'how to kill'? They encounter the grey man, and Mac freezes it. JB tells Mac that, should the Grey Man have sifted out with her, he, JB, wouldn't have been able to follow or know where they had gone.

So JB can't do that sifting thing that the Fae do - nor know where the Fae has gone, as another Fae would know.

Unless JB lied about that. But I doubt it, seeing as how mad he was at Mac for getting herself in trouble.

Whatever JB does to move real fast, or climb walls, or leap tall buildings, it is not by the mechanism of sifting. ... So I still vote for JB being a Druid of some sort. (cursed as well). Remember that Cian and Daegus were able to do that fast movement thing also.

Any thoughts!?

[oracle]

Just to say...you're brilliant!!

[Danielle42]

I never felt that JB was Fae but I hadn'tthought about that piece of evidence. Seems to support the non-Fae cause...

I'm with you - I think he's Druid. We've already seen how much the Fae rely on druids and Queen Aiobheal was thinking just that in one of the highlander books.

[Kelli Jo]

Circenn was half-fae and he moved very fast (remember when the Templar had Lisa) but he couldn't sift until Adam taught him, so JB could be half-fae but no one has taken the time to teach the poor boy, lol. Like I said, I agree with you, I don't think he's fae, but of all of KMM's heroes, JB reminds me the most of Circenn.

[Cheryle]

Claudia I am with you and the other ladies. I just don't get the fae vibe from him. I am excited to find out what he really is but something tells me it is going to be awhile before we get our answers. Anticipation it is a wonderful thing.

[alba]

Didn't the Berserker trait have fast movement could he have tapped into some of that????
I too am not sure he is fae, Claudia I love to read your theories.
Cheryle I would not be surprised if we have to wait till the last book before we find out what J.B. is

[Deja]

Hi Claudia,

Its funny this comes up again. Do U remember reading the excerpt/teaser about JB threatening Mac that he would tatoo her if he wanted too like it or not? IT WAS THEN I formed a Sherlock Holmes' Girl theory that JB IS Druid because KMM'S druids always paint/tatoo themselves before a battle, time traveling, WARDING OFF danger or enemies.

I STILL belive JB will take Mac back to the past to learn about her true heritage!

Deja

[claudia celestial girl]

Hi Claudia,

Its funny this comes up again. Do U remember reading the excerpt/teaser about JB threatening Mac that he would tatoo her if he wanted too like it or not? IT WAS THEN I formed a Sherlock Holmes' Girl theory that JB IS Druid because KMM'S druids always paint/tatoo themselves before a battle, time traveling, WARDING OFF danger or enemies.

I STILL belive JB will take Mac back to the past to learn about her true heritage!

Deja
I do indeed remember that. We've certainly gone around in circles. Lots of Maniacs vote for the Fae thing - there've been lots on other threads about that.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say another thing. I believe JZB to be:

a) Druid
b) cursed
c) ancient (as in immortal - as old as Adam, but not as old as Queen Abby)
d) something else beastial: a werewolf? a goblin? something from the sea? a Vilkakis? something that requires a blood ritual to be paid - in human blood & that JZB kills people for it. But not something that is tied to the moon.

remember that second night when Mac pounded on the door of the bookstore and demanded to see JB, and he told her that his patience was 'exeedingly thin' that night, and that he had matters 'far more pressing' then her to attend to? In the next 24 hours he had to satisfy that blood ritual (because the next night he had blood on his hands - literally!) And he talked about how people said they wanted to die, but sometimes didn't mean it.

It's possible that the source of his Druid power is this blood ritual. I can't figure out what he might have gained otherwise for being cursed as he is. Unless it is that he lost something important.

Anyway - I'm blathering away. I'm avoiding my chores tonight!

But yes, I do remember those discussions about the tatoos and paint. Why would JB have to take Mac back to the past in order for her to learn about her heritage?

[krstis]

:33: Ayayay I've been thinkin again--Always a scary thing.
I don't get Fae vibes from JB either. Two things have been bouncing around in my head about him:
1) Remember the first time Mac met V'lane and he offered her the "gold armcuff etched with silver" (the Cross of Cruce) telling her it would keep her safe from th Unseelie. I don't remember JB going out in the dark or being unaffected by Unseelie until after Mac's museum incident.Then he took her out to learn how to kill them with the spear. Is it possible that V'lane gave the Cross of Cruce to JB? We know they talked at some point,
2) JB says he is 1/2 Pict, 1/2 Basque. Circenn is 1/2 Pict, 1/2 Fae. Is it possible JB and Circenn are related (distantly) thru C's mother? I think i remember he had a half brother thru her. The Picts died out in the 800's I believe, and wasn't Circenn born in the 800's? OR... how 'bout this: maybe JB is 1/2 Pict, 1/2 Basque-Rom. Aren't there historically quite a few gypsies in Basque country? The Rom figured predominantly in a couple of KMM's other books--maybe they're still hanging around. I've got some other theories but this is getting too long.
I didn't see the teaser about JB & Mac and the tattoo. Where is it?? I also haven't read the booklet:crying-vi: so could be waaaay out :brainfart-vi: in lalaland!

[claudia celestial girl]

I didn't see the teaser about JB & Mac and the tattoo. Where is it??

check out the February 2007 teaser thread in the Bloodfever section of this board. Someone posted the whole thing.

I'm not going to comment on your other comments except for the following. I'm not convinced JZB is related to any of the other characters who we've met so far. I think we've discussed on this board that if JB was a son of Adam, that Adam would know. And I'm not convinced that Morganna would have born children to two different Fae's (or other otherworldly beings). It's interesting what you say about the Picts dying out about 800 years ago. And the Rom is a very intersting possibility. Maybe that's where he gets his magical abilities?

[miss lulu]

You guys make a very strong case on JB not being Fae, but I don't know if I would like JB to be a druid. Yes druids are great, but I want something different, something more. KMM is a great story teller! But if she makes JB into a druid I would feel disappointed. The way KMM has create this little world we are all obessed about, I would feel cheated and bored, if she sticks to her druids. I will wait and see what she has been cooking up for us. Because I have a gut feeling that we will get to see something different. She did not make a separate series for Mac & her friends(?) just to give us the a familiar formula.

[Chakacool]

I always knew for myself that he wasn't Fae purely for the fact that he and Mac touch each other. He would have frozen nor would he have been so excited about her being a Null had he been a Fae. He would have taken a totally different approach to her.

I just remember back to the Daegus and Drustan stories and how Adam was talking about how certain bloodlines were protected and chosen to be blessed with powers of the Fae to help protect them. So far we know of in a factual reality - the Kelter's and the McIllioch only. Also, Circenn, but was half-Fae and by his birth connections, he was chosen to protect them. So I think that JB is a line that is protected by the Fae or as a consequence of a Fae interaction something along the lines of how the Dragar were. So I think he's something, but I think he's going to be something we'll never guess because he'll be brand new to us or minimally vaguely hinted at by Karen.

[Pyxie]

Because I have a gut feeling that we will get to see something different. She did not make a separate series for Mac & her friends(?) just to give us the a familiar formula.


I have to agree with you on this one! I think that JB is going to end up being a Vampire (man only shows himself at night, and moves with too much speed and stealth to be human, that would also explain why Fio always runs the store during the day) or a Werewolf, hence the name Jericho. Personally I'd prefer the Vampire...Werewolf would be a little too furry for my tastes! lol.

[oracle]

...or a Werewolf, hence the name Jericho. Personally I'd prefer the Vampire...Werewolf would be a little too furry for my tastes! lol.
Hey I'm lost what does "Jericho" have to do with being a werewolf?

[Brenda]

Excellent memory, Claudia!
Thanks!

[Cheryle]

You guys make a very strong case on JB not being Fae, but I don't know if I would like JB to be a druid. Yes druids are great, but I want something different, something more. KMM is a great story teller! But if she makes JB into a druid I would feel disappointed. The way KMM has create this little world we are all obessed about, I would feel cheated and bored, if she sticks to her druids. I will wait and see what she has been cooking up for us. Because I have a gut feeling that we will get to see something different. She did not make a separate series for Mac & her friends(?) just to give us the a familiar formula.





I am right there with you on that one. He is going to be new, he is a myth just like Mac was a myth. Something different.

[*Jo*]

OK. Remember when JB decides to take Mac out and show her 'how to kill'? They encounter the grey man, and Mac freezes it. JB tells Mac that, should the Grey Man have sifted out with her, he, JB, wouldn't have been able to follow or know where they had gone.

So JB can't do that sifting thing that the Fae do - nor know where the Fae has gone, as another Fae would know.

Unless JB lied about that. But I doubt it, seeing as how mad he was at Mac for getting herself in trouble.

Whatever JB does to move real fast, or climb walls, or leap tall buildings, it is not by the mechanism of sifting. ... So I still vote for JB being a Druid of some sort. (cursed as well). Remember that Cian and Daegus were able to do that fast movement thing also.

Any thoughts!?


BUT of course I HAVE thoughts...

I believe JB does sift. In the sewers after the incident where Mac steals the relic of the spear of Christ, the way in which JB travels along ...
Everytime Mac is talking and JB just appears out of nowhere without a sound.
That says fae...

ALSO
Last point to that proves or re-enforces to me anyway...
Mac battle with Malluce,The speed in which JB removed Mac from the situation description alone as he carried Mac away...

RECALL the scene where Mac's arm is set by JB.
Mac clearly recalls JZB talking in a tongue she did not recognize...Pretty sure THAT it did not exist...That says fae...
I believe that may have been the ancient tongue in which the fae spoke.

Mac is a Null & freezes seelie & unseelie . Therefore being a NULL Mac would NOT be affected as Gabby was in Immortal...Gabby was just a seer.

[claudia celestial girl]

I know what you're saying, Jo, JZB does move fast. But listen to me. Though JZB moves with a faster than normal speed, he doesn't move with instanteous speed, the way a Fae does.

In Immortal, when Adam goes somewhere, he is in one spot, then instantly in another spot. Same with the Grey Man in the scene I mentioned above. And V'Lane. Mac says one minute they were there and the next there were not.

But JZB:


'flutter's down from the ceiling girters in the warehouse on 1247 LaRue (with his cloak fluttering :anim_headbang-vi:) Everyone knows that he came from above because they all look up.
in the scene you mention he's running through the sewers with Mac in his arms - not changing his position without moving his feet, the way Adam does in Immortal
in the scene with the Grey Man, Mac actually hears him scaling the walls of the building. he's moving at a fast speed but not instantaneously like the Grey Man does. And when he drops down to Mac's side again, it is in physical space, he does't 'sift' from the rooftop to the street.


whatever he is doing to scale tall buildings and leap down from the ceiling, it is not something that happens in an instant, and that is what makes it different from sifting. I suppose you are going to say that he could choose to travel by 'floating' or by sifting if he was Fae, but he's doing it under times of duress when surely if he could sift he would chose the faster approach.

No, I think, like Cheryle, that he is different from anyone else in the books - just as he says he is!

I know you are going to argue with me! That's what makes the Board fun.

[Chakacool]

BUT of course I HAVE thoughts...

I believe JB does sift. In the sewers after the incident where Mac steals the relic of the spear of Christ, the way in which JB travels along ...
Everytime Mac is talking and JB just appears out of nowhere without a sound.
That says fae...

ALSO
Last point to that proves or re-enforces to me anyway...
Mac battle with Malluce,The speed in which JB removed Mac from the situation description alone as he carried Mac away...

RECALL the scene where Mac's arm is set by JB.
Mac clearly recalls JZB talking in a tongue she did not recognize...Pretty sure THAT it did not exist...That says fae...
I believe that may have been the ancient tongue in which the fae spoke.

Mac is a Null & freezes seelie & unseelie . Therefore being a NULL Mac would NOT be affected as Gabby was in Immortal...Gabby was just a seer.

I do not believe that this reads Fae in anyway. We already know he's old. That language could be any past language from when he was born to now. It does not mean it's Fae. If it was Fae then Mac would have reacted to it. IT would have been a warning to her. You can't assimilate certain traits to just one type of person. Gabby being a seer means that Mac as a version of one too, would have freaked at the sound. Also your other points can point to any version of supernatural beings or druid powers, berserker qualities, etc. If Karen has created some other type of being for him to be what with the hints in the booklet, it could be anything really. Fae is pretty much ruled out because of the main facts, the most basic qualities that go with being Fae and Mac being a Null. Purely the fact that they touch each other is enough to keep him from being Fae. He can't be. It doesn't mean he's not something else but he can't be Fae. Going along with the touching qualities, as well as what Claudia said the fact that he wouldn't be able to follow her when the Grey Man sifted says the same to. I think as it is supported that JB cannot by definable definition in which we are give based on Karen's can't be a Fae.

[MeShelle]

Dont forget there is a race that adam said he believed a myth but was said to be real... I dont recall the name(ill look into it and post when i get it) maybe he is that race.

[stormsandsins]

Dont forget there is a race that adam said he believed a myth but was said to be real... I dont recall the name(ill look into it and post when i get it) maybe he is that race.

Yes I remember because I just finished reading Immortal... it's something like a race of Fae that could sift into the future as opposed to the past and present like regular Fae do (or like Adam did, anyway). I don't think he named the race, at least not in Immortal, though.

A while back I'd posted that I thought Barrons might be a sort of Irish lord (as per his name, baron = lord, plus the fact that he calls Dublin "my" city) and/or cursed Fae (since he doesn't touch the Spear, probably because he fears it) and/or Druid (for some reason I forget, but I did have a reason lol) and/or Vilkacis or Berserker (though now with Jo's theory I'm leaning a bit more toward Vilkacis). Hey, he might be all of them!

[Deja]

But yes, I do remember those discussions about the tatoos and paint. Why would JB have to take Mac back to the past in order for her to learn about her heritage?

(I think JB MAY take Mac back in time for two very important reasons #1 (HE WANTS HER TO FULLY ACCEPT THE ROLE SHE WILL PLAY IN THE COMING BATTLE, & knowing her true story will empower her. The Lanes can't or won't tell. All the others that were entrusted with the truth of Mac & Alina's parentage are either dead OR went into hiding to make the hunters & unseelie believe there were no seers to be concerned about. Any others who knew about the sisters probably swore a blood oath of secrecy & would RATHERED DIE THAN TELL. Think about it! Their family gave up all contact with these babies to prevent anyone from accidently leading any of the fae to this insignificant, unnoticed city. This made it a safe city in which the sisters could be raised until they were needed, & trained to use their powers. Do U think that it was their Biolog. mom/family OR someone very wise and powerful who engineered the whole plan? Could it have been Queen Abby?

#2 The other reason JB may take Mac back in time is TO WIN her love. JB is going to stop fighting his attraction to Mac at some point. He knows the thing that Mac dislikes most about him is all the mystery, & the way he never answer questions about himself. By taking her back to where it all started she might be able to understand why he is the way he is & find in him something she can love. Who knows~Maybe her love will break the curse we all believe exists?

Deja, Sherlock Holmes girl

[oracle]

RECALL the scene where Mac's arm is set by JB.
Mac clearly recalls JZB talking in a tongue she did not recognize...Pretty sure THAT it did not exist...That says fae...
I believe that may have been the ancient tongue in which the fae spoke.

:33: In Dark Highlander Daegus uses a tongue that Chloe did not recognize after the Simon's(?) Draghar attack in the penthouse. His words were part of the healing. We are clear that what Daegus said was not in a Fae language but rather a Draghar one or something from his Druid background.

Note that Chloe was quite learned in languages but did not understand him. In Mac's case, she is definitely nowhere near learned as Chloe and an unrecognizable ancient tongue to her could be any of a number of non-Fae languages.

I believe that JB healed her using a spell and that he is Druid. If you recall Highlander's Touch, when Adam is teaching Circenn Fae magic, it was a matter of visualization and using your mind and not recitation which is characteristic of Druids.

While I will NOT bet any bodyparts that JB is a Druid, I would wager that he is one. Eh...maybe an entire red velvet cake?

[*Jo*]

:2v-vi::bowrofl-vi:OKAY...Virginia e-mailed me a few days back...I wish she'd post here. Tried to encourage her to start a new thread but...
SIGH ! SO....

You can check wikipedia.com, but I swear that's not the info I got from their first time around. It's the one Virginia had used but, I found another. KNOCKED me on my a$$.

Virginia stated that JZavierB was FORMORIAN per wikipedia...
However ANAL that I am about research found another web.
I advise you to do so
www.shee-eire.com/magic&mythology/Races/Formorians/page1.htm
Here's the SHORT summary:

Irish mythology/semi divine race

Beings proceeded gods before Tuatha De Danann
Body of a man & head of a goat
11 th century text one eye, one arm, one leg
Some were very beautiful
Dark hair & eyes
From NO. Africa or Asia
Renowned for their SEAFARING
MOR = phantom/ spirit
Irish folklore
2 tribes of this group
One group residing underground
One group residing like the Tuatha
Most famous of the group is TETHRA THE FORMORIAN FAERY KING

The above because I am TOTALLY ANAL...


Virginia & I believe JBZ is FAE...
Virginia's classification = Formorian
Jo's classification = Unseelie but I CAN SMELL CROW COOKING/ might have to eat alot of it !!!

[MeShelle]

Ok so I'm thinking maybe the race that Adam talks about are the Formorian's??? Because I def think that hes the race Adam talks about...

[MeShelle]

In Irish mythology, the Fomorians, Fomors, or Fomori (Irish Fomóiri, Fomóraig) were a semi-divine race who inhabited Ireland in ancient times. They may have once been believed to be the beings who preceded the gods, similar to the Greek Titans. It has been suggested that they represent the gods of chaos and wild nature, as opposed to the Tuatha Dé Danann who represent the gods of human civilization. Alternatively, they may represent the gods of a proposed pre-Goidelic population of Ireland.

Characteristics
They are sometimes said to have had the body of a man and the head of a goat, according to an 11th century text in Lebor na hUidre (the Book of the Dun Cow), or to have had one eye, one arm and one leg, but some, for example Elatha, the father of Bres, were very beautiful. Bres himself, for example, carries the epithet "the Beautiful."

[MeShelle]

Ok so Jo keeps me wired looky what i found in wikipedia...
"The Tuatha Dé Danann and the Fomorians are closely related. Neit, a war god, is an ancestor of both."

[miss lulu]

Dont forget there is a race that adam said he believed a myth but was said to be real... I dont recall the name(ill look into it and post when i get it) maybe he is that race.

Please post it up!!! I read Immortal and I must have skipped it!


P.S. Love love your avatar!!!:drool-vi:

[*Jo*]

Ok so Jo keeps me wired looky what i found in wikipedia...
"The Tuatha Dé Danann and the Fomorians are closely related. Neit, a war god, is an ancestor of both."

I thank you for typing for me. I have a q-tip finger and wasn't able to post that stuff for FORMORIAN without taking a year or two...
I agree with you & Virginia that this could be THAT race that Adam did mention...
A race of FAE...

[Anita]

He's not because the brilliant lasses here say he's not.:65:

[Cheryle]

The only thing I know is he is drop dead sexy.

[miss lulu]

I thank you for typing for me. I have a q-tip finger and wasn't able to post that stuff for FORMORIAN without taking a year or two...
I agree with you & Virginia that this could be THAT race that Adam did mention...
A race of FAE...

Jo,


What if JB is of this race, and being so Mac's null blood does not affect him because this race is different!

Maybe he can not sift but is faster than the other fae races?

So when he says he is not like anyother player in the game is because of this?

[*Jo*]

Jo,


What if JB is of this race, and being so Mac's null blood does not affect him because this race is different!

Maybe he can not sift but is faster than the other fae races?

So when he says he is not like anyother player in the game is because of this?

Miss Lulu...
THAT's IT in a nutshell. All tidy. Put a bow on it . I'd buy it !!!:happy0158:

[MeShelle]

Jo,


What if JB is of this race, and being so Mac's null blood does not affect him because this race is different!

Maybe he can not sift but is faster than the other fae races?

So when he says he is not like anyother player in the game is because of this?

Miss Lulu I do think this is what he is.... Oh and in the book Adam doesnt say the name of the race but he says there said to be real but he thinks there just myth and it's something like a race of Fae that could sift into the future . Maybe he isnt Fomorian(I think he is) but for sure he is a type of fae (Yes Jo i said he is a Fae....fae fae fae)

[MeShelle]

Ok so Jo told me to check the website she gave earlier today (thank you jo)
and since its hard for her to type alot here is something about the site that i read and found interesting which she didnt mension
"According to the ancient accounts in the Lebor Gabala Erenn the tribes of the Nemedians, Fir-Bolg, and Tuatha Dé all spoke the same tongue and were supposed to be descended from the same family, the Fomorians were a completely separate race. With separate language and customs. Although they do intermarry with the Tuatha De Danann"

Now that i read this it makes me think if JB isnt a mix of Fomorian with Tua????:33:

Gosh Jo do you see what you do to me!!!! Now I'm all over the place searching to prove OUR points... Hurry up and fix your finger because this is a hard job

[Danielle42]

I do indeed remember that. We've certainly gone around in circles. Lots of Maniacs vote for the Fae thing - there've been lots on other threads about that.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say another thing. I believe JZB to be:

a) Druid
b) cursed
c) ancient (as in immortal - as old as Adam, but not as old as Queen Abby)
d) something else beastial: a werewolf? a goblin? something from the sea? a Vilkakis? something that requires a blood ritual to be paid - in human blood & that JZB kills people for it. But not something that is tied to the moon.


I am totally with you here. I think all four of those things are true and interconnected (i.e. a cursed druid like Dageus and Cian).

I don't think he's as ancient as Adam but then again, the druids have been around for at least 4,000 years (assuming their role was created at the time of the Compact), so perhaps he's just a bit younger.

Not sure about a specific blood ritual, although that sounds pretty cool, but I am sure he is beastial and needs blood himself (perhaps as a werewolf, etc).


remember that second night when Mac pounded on the door of the bookstore and demanded to see JB, and he told her that his patience was 'exeedingly thin' that night, and that he had matters 'far more pressing' then her to attend to? In the next 24 hours he had to satisfy that blood ritual (because the next night he had blood on his hands - literally!) And he talked about how people said they wanted to die, but sometimes didn't mean it.

It's possible that the source of his Druid power is this blood ritual. I can't figure out what he might have gained otherwise for being cursed as he is. Unless it is that he lost something important.

Anyway - I'm blathering away. I'm avoiding my chores tonight!

But yes, I do remember those discussions about the tatoos and paint. Why would JB have to take Mac back to the past in order for her to learn about her heritage?

Blathering?!? You're not blathering, you're hypothesizing - and what could be more scientific than that? :03:

Great theories - keep 'em coming!

[miss lulu]

Miss Lulu I do think this is what he is.... Oh and in the book Adam doesnt say the name of the race but he says there said to be real but he thinks there just myth and it's something like a race of Fae that could sift into the future . Maybe he isnt Fomorian(I think he is) but for sure he is a type of fae (Yes Jo i said he is a Fae....fae fae fae)

Was it sifting that Adam said, or could it be that this uname race travel time through by other means....spells, thinking, praying? Remember he does not know a lot about a race he thinks is myth. And remember guys, that the seelie & unseelie left their home planet Danu, because they were kicked out. Could JB be of that race?

Just throwing it out there!:03:

[Chakacool]

I think we're going too far off the map. He needs to be something born once of a man, if he's loved and loss, it's to mortal an emotion for some other type of being to have. You always see that in the Fae, a complete lack of emotion. They scoffed at Adam for being to mortal or a mortal lover, which he was. He had a son and a mortal lover. He knew a type of love and pain because he felt the death of Morgana and I think that changed him enough so he could love Gabby. That understanding was necessary.

I think that he's some form of a special man, like Mac is special in her own way. Maybe cursed or vamp, were, or something else...but he has to be human in nature to love. Adam couldn't feel love until Queen A turned him as near as human as she could possibly get.

But he really can't be Fae or Fae like. The characteristics of his personality and his motives are all wrong to be Fae. Plus he does nothing to act Fae and Mac would be able to see through his glamour if he was casting one to look human. He'd have the eyes and stuff, those are basic characteristics that we've gotten from Karen. So I think we need to stick a little closer to nature and human idea of what he is. I haven't offered anything that he could be... hinted at the ideas of werewolf but I'm not sure. I just know he's not Fae. He can't be Fae.

[MeShelle]

Chakacool... I get what your saying but your thinking fae as in Tuatha.... Maybe what adam was talking about has other charecteristic... I mean I could be wrong but he just seems more than cursed or vamp or were.... Reason I say Fomorian is because in Irish mythology it is said they were used to interbreed.... For all we know karen could come up with something totally different.... But IMHO he seems more than human, vamp, were, or cursed... And i honestly doubt she would make him a Druid 2 because as some one said why make a new series on the same old thing.... JMHO

[stormsandsins]

Was it sifting that Adam said, or could it be that this uname race travel time through by other means....spells, thinking, praying? Remember he does not know a lot about a race he thinks is myth. And remember guys, that the seelie & unseelie left their home planet Danu, because they were kicked out. Could JB be of that race?

Just throwing it out there!:03:

Urgh, I had actually bookmarked the exact page in Immortal but now I can't find it. Will have to re-read.... It's something like a race of Fae that can sift into the future (and past and present, I would suppose) as opposed to only in the past and present like regular Tuatha Dé Fae do.

Chackacool, Adam was not able to love because Queen A turned him close to. In Immortal she was surprised that he'd felt human emotions:


"But I felt human feelings," Adam protested.
"Impossible," Aoibheal said flatly.

As a Fae, Adam should not have been able to feel emotions AT ALL, not even when Aoibheal shifted him a bit. He was not human AT ALL, not until the bottom of page 255 (hardback). But he'd been feeling sympathetic toward humans for centuries, had chosen Morganna, a human woman, as his lover, had felt deep compassion for that old sidhe-seer... fell in love HARD with Gabby... Adam, in other words, was the anomaly within the Fae (a Fae PRINCE, at that). Anyway, yeah, my point is, he felt emotions BEFORE Gabby, just not love... :)

[*Jo*]

:33: In Dark Highlander Daegus uses a tongue that Chloe did not recognize after the Simon's(?) Draghar attack in the penthouse. His words were part of the healing. We are clear that what Daegus said was not in a Fae language but rather a Draghar one or something from his Druid background.

Note that Chloe was quite learned in languages but did not understand him. In Mac's case, she is definitely nowhere near learned as Chloe and an unrecognizable ancient tongue to her could be any of a number of non-Fae languages.

I believe that JB healed her using a spell and that he is Druid. If you recall Highlander's Touch, when Adam is teaching Circenn Fae magic, it was a matter of visualization and using your mind and not recitation which is characteristic of Druids.

While I will NOT bet any bodyparts that JB is a Druid, I would wager that he is one. Eh...maybe an entire red velvet cake?

I honestly took that as the language of the 13 roque, imprisoned Draghar, 12 men & 1 woman...
Ancient Tongue of the Fae,
the one that made Gabby react so drastically in IMMORTAL...see page #177-178

"...Dageus rose and cicling the area...and began to speak."
"...Gabby thought he opened his mouth and sound came out, but he wasn't speaking.It wasn't a single voice that issued from his lips but myriad voices..."
"...it raised all the fine hair on Gabby's body, and she realized this was the old Tuatha De Tongue, it was not a language Adam had spoken around her."
"This was the voice of raw power."
This was known as FAE language.
Adam explains to Gabby that he hadn't used his spoken tongue around her because of the way it affects all Sidhe-seers...

THE VERY SAME tongue that JZB spoke to MAC in Darfever, when he repaired her broken arm, kissed Mac's forhead and made her sleep...with magyck...

[MeShelle]

Jo what I love most about you is that not even with a Q-Tiped finger will you sit back with theorys

[*Jo*]

Jo what I love most about you is that not even with a Q-Tiped finger will you sit back with theorys

D*MN slow at it though. Took me 15 minutes to type 5 minutes worth of work...
Tomorrow I wear the BAND-AID...

[MeShelle]

Heres my question when he cures her he speaks something but does Mac say its a language she doesnt understand.... And wouldnt she have the same affect as Gabby....( And yes i still believe JB is FAE not sure what type or race but def fae)

[MissAmy]

I'm up in the air on this one.. I say he has fae in him but I don't know what to think..

[MeShelle]

::Insert evil laugh here:: Jo looks like we got another one...lol.... Me and Jo are strong believers of JB being FAE

[stormsandsins]

I honestly took that as the language of the 13 roque, imprisoned Draghar, 12 men & 1 woman...
Ancient Tongue of the Fae,
the one that made Gabby react so drastically in IMMORTAL...see page #177-178

"...Dageus rose and cicling the area...and began to speak."
"...Gabby thought he opened his mouth and sound came out, but he wasn't speaking.It wasn't a single voice that issued from his lips but myriad voices..."
"...it raised all the fine hair on Gabby's body, and she realized this was the old Tuatha De Tongue, it was not a language Adam had spoken around her."
"This was the voice of raw power."
This was known as FAE language.
Adam explains to Gabby that he hadn't used his spoken tongue around her because of the way it affects all Sidhe-seers...

THE VERY SAME tongue that JZB spoke to MAC in Darfever, when he repaired her broken arm, kissed Mac's forhead and made her sleep...with magyck...

Yes but SHE didn't react as drastically. Remember, Adam says she can't stand it because she has age-old sidhe-seer instincts to drag people to safety when she hears that tongue:


Whatever tongue he'd been speaking on those infrequent occasions wasn't this. This was a voice of raw power. Such sound could mesmerize, could seduce against a person's will. It was old magic, undiluted and pure. The kind she'd always imagined the Hunters possessed. A terrible magic.

As it built in crescendo, she shuddered, closing her eyes.

"Easy, ka-lyrra; it's because you're a Sidhe-seer that it affects you so," she heard Adam say softly. "It's why I've not spoken my tongue around you. Your instincts to guard, to gather your people and flee, are being roused. In ancient days you would have heard us coming on the wind and secreted your villagers away. Breathe. Slow and deep."

So nah, I don't think it was the Fae tongue Barrons was speaking in, otherwise Mac wouldn't have felt so comfy and safe and let him kiss her, because she'd have been alarmed, convulsing or something like that and terribly scared of him. I'm thinking more some old Druidic tongue (rather like the one Drustan used on Gwen in Kiss, plus it could have been the exact same spell, too).

[MeShelle]

Yes but if you go to the begining of the thred jo put in a website that talks bout Fomorians which is a fae race but not the tuatha... the site sais this

"According to the ancient accounts in the Lebor Gabala Erenn the tribes of the Nemedians, Fir-Bolg, and Tuatha Dé all spoke the same tongue and were supposed to be descended from the same family, the Fomorians were a completely separate race. With separate language and customs. Although they do intermarry with the Tuatha De Danann"

::See Jo more research... you've taught me well::

[claudia celestial girl]

As a Fae, Adam should not have been able to feel emotions AT ALL, not even when Aoibheal shifted him a bit. He was not human AT ALL, not until the bottom of page 255 (hardback). But he'd been feeling sympathetic toward humans for centuries, had chosen Morganna, a human woman, as his lover, had felt deep compassion for that old sidhe-seer... fell in love HARD with Gabby... Adam, in other words, was the anomaly within the Fae (a Fae PRINCE, at that). Anyway, yeah, my point is, he felt emotions BEFORE Gabby, just not love... :)

if he's loved and lost, it's too mortal an emotion for some other type of being to have. You always see that in the Fae, a complete lack of emotion. They scoffed at Adam for being too mortal or a 'mortal lover', which he was. He had a son and a mortal lover. He knew a type of love and pain because he felt the death of Morgana and I think that changed him enough so he could love Gabby. That understanding was necessary.

Very movingly phrased. Thanks for sharing these thoughts about Adam and his evolution.

[stormsandsins]

Very movingly phrased. Thanks for sharing these thoughts about Adam and his evolution.

I know. I loved Adam's evolution. Loved when he suddenly felt "pain" in his chest lol. I almost missed it, it was so "in passing", but aww, beautiful.

... my favourite's still Barrons, though. I've got a feeling bad boys make my knees go weak. Huh. Never really thought about it but there you go.

MeShelle, yeah it makes sense, too. I guess I just instinctively see Drustan spelling Gwen asleep when Barrons does Mac. Hmm...

[krstis]

:52:
My mind is completely boggled by all this. I think I will subscribe to the KISS theory:
1) JB says in that teaser that he is "...not like any other player in this game" and I'm taking that literally. As Cheryle said earlier in this thread, JB is Something Different.
2) I don't think he's as ancient as Claudia thinks he is, but I think he's pre-e-et-t-tty old; he says he's half Pict. and they faded out in the 800's. And it's implied that he has/had a thang with Fio, who is now 50ish-did they get together when she was way younger, and is she just human, and what all does she know? I don't think we've heard the last of her by a long shot.
3) JB helped Mac's healing along seems to me in the same manner Dageus healed Chloe's feet. I don 't think it was a Fae language bcs no reaction from Mac. Maybe an old Pictish tongue? which to me points to Druid.
4) JB's remark to Mac about tattoos also points to Druids or Sorcerers.

And then there's the Rom connection I can't quite let go of--JB the Romani Druid Sorerer.
I've got loads of questions about how these relics got lost in the first place. Wasn't Circenn responsible for some of them, and didn't he send them into the future with a bunch of Templars? One month and how many days until BF is out?

[*Jo*]

Heres my question when he cures her he speaks something but does Mac say its a language she doesnt understand.... And wouldnt she have the same affect as Gabby....( And yes i still believe JB is FAE not sure what type or race but def fae)

BUT Gabby is a straight up Sidhe-seer though...

...from the O'Callahan clan...Mac is A Null from the the O'Connor clan. Two different families and two different Sidhe-seer groups just like the faes...
Seelie, Unseelie & Formorian ...different classifications & attributes...

The way Mac is ignorant (uneducated) of ALL her heritage where Gabby is not, we don't know yet if Gabby would react the same way to the UNSEELIE relics as Mac does...

Different clans, different reactions that make each of the seer groups as different as the faes...

Anyone say 'AYE' ?

[*Jo*]

:52:
My mind is completely boggled by all this. I think I will subscribe to the KISS theory:
1) JB says in that teaser that he is "...not like any other player in this game" and I'm taking that literally. As Cheryle said earlier in this thread, JB is Something Different.
2) I don't think he's as ancient as Claudia thinks he is, but I think he's pre-e-et-t-tty old; he says he's half Pict. and they faded out in the 800's. And it's implied that he has/had a thang with Fio, who is now 50ish-did they get together when she was way younger, and is she just human, and what all does she know? I don't think we've heard the last of her by a long shot.
3) JB helped Mac's healing along seems to me in the same manner Dageus healed Chloe's feet. I don 't think it was a Fae language bcs no reaction from Mac. Maybe an old Pictish tongue? which to me points to Druid.
4) JB's remark to Mac about tattoos also points to Druids or Sorcerers.

And then there's the Rom connection I can't quite let go of--JB the Romani Druid Sorerer.
I've got loads of questions about how these relics got lost in the first place. Wasn't Circenn responsible for some of them, and didn't he send them into the future with a bunch of Templars? One month and how many days until BF is out?

ANSWERS:
1.) Formorian fae...OK I SUBMIT. I thought he was Unseelie Queen A & Unseelie king (changed theory per info supplied from Virginia's postings).That JB IS or = being "... not like any other player in this game," to my WEE brain...
2.) Picts I agree that they MELDED with the Celt civilization. They didn't disappear around the date of 800...AGREE !
Fio is not gone by a long shot...AYE !
3.) The art of healing & voice are OF the FAE Language, see previous posts.
Page 177-178 per Immortal...MAC is not affected as Gabby because she is of a different clan altoghether. Gabby O'Callahan. Mackayla O'Connor.
I doubt the Seelie has the same characteristics as the Unseelie. Besides though both women are Sidhe-seers, MAC is a NULL...Different fish altogether.
4). Even the fae know of the MAGYCKS and practice this...So are the fae sorcerers ? Druids ? Gods ? Ancients ? And where would the human aspect of the equation fit in if the FAE didn't pracice the arts ?!!

Circenn was responsible for the Seelie relics...
Lastly, BF is out Oct. 16 th...

Rom DRUID SORCERER....Hummmm, not THAT is the question !

And If we've seen FAE groups so far As Tuatha De Dannan, Formorian (?), what the heck is the UNSEELIE classification ?!!!

[stormsandsins]

3.) The art of healing & voice are OF the FAE Language, see previous posts.
Page 177-178 per Immortal...MAC is not affected as Gabby because she is of a different clan altoghether. Gabby O'Callahan. Mackayla O'Connor.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one (great insight on the other stuff, though!). Adam says specifically that (bolding mine):

[quote]"Easy, ka-lyrra; it's because you're a Sidhe-seer that it affects you so," she heard Adam say softly. "[...] Your instincts to guard, to gather your people and flee, are being roused. In ancient days you would have heard us coming on the wind and secreted your villagers away. [...]"[quote]

Hence, all Sidhe-seers would feel the exact same foreboding feeling and therefore, so would Mac. Trained of untrained, they would all feel the "terrible magic" in the air and start running and protecting their people.

[*Jo*]

You knew I was going to do this...:happy0194:

BUT only the Sidhe-seers straight up, No ice...
aka as living myths or any myth altogether.
Adam seemed to dismiss them all so easily.

I don't believe that Adam had any knowledge of NULLS. He specified generic seers. Of the O'Callahan clan...O'Connor clan & those that Gabby listed.

EVEN Queen A was SHOCKED that CIAN, in SPELL, was like NO OTHER DRUID, before or after, anywhere on the face of the earth...
MAC, too can be ONE IN INFINITY...

Only time will tell SO we'll just have to wait & see....SIGH...

October 16 th, 2007.

THAT is if it's in the BF section to begin with...

[MeShelle]

Jo beautifuly put.... I can tell your finger is much better

[Deja]

check out the February 2007 teaser thread in the Bloodfever section of this board. Someone posted the whole thing.
It's interesting what you say about the Picts dying out about 800 years ago. And the Rom is a very intersting possibility. Maybe that's where he gets his magical abilities?

I still think JB will be tied to ROYALTY as a decendent of McAlpin, the Pict/Scot king VIA Aedan.. However I had a WILD THOUGHT! What if JB is in someway tied to the Gypsies from B.T.H.M that helped Hawk against Adam? Could this be a reason for the supposed curse?

[*Jo*]

Jo beautifuly put.... I can tell your finger is much better

Thanks MeShelle....Band Aid, waterproof ! Here we go !
I am so excited ! I can bend it normally now !
Didn't improve my typing speed though....SIGH ! Slow as molasses.

[stormsandsins]

I still think JB will be tied to ROYALTY as a decendent of McAlpin, the Pict/Scot king VIA Aedan.. However I had a WILD THOUGHT! What if JB is in someway tied to the Gypsies from B.T.H.M that helped Hawk against Adam? Could this be a reason for the supposed curse?

Wow, I had thought of that a while back but then dismissed it completely (or rather, my brain went ded at some point lol) but yes it's a very good possibility, since Gypsies have Basque roots. Or maybe even the ones that spelled Drustan asleep? Hmm, food for thought (I'm hungry lol was gonna type fungry. What gives?)

Also, Jo? Okay, I cede, but not completely. She's still a sidhe-seer, albeit a powerful one. Maybe she's able to repel the foreboding effects, but I don't think so. Imagine a Null in, say, medieaval times. She's also a protector or Mankind, so she would need that foreboding feeling to drive her people to safety (whether she likes that Fae or not :03:). Even being one in an infinity of sidhe-seers/Nulls, she'd need that "guardian" reflex to recognise the language and run like hell. So, I'm still not totally converted to your theory, but it's still a good one. Hmm. :33:

[sea_nyx]

Dont forget there is a race that adam said he believed a myth but was said to be real... I dont recall the name(ill look into it and post when i get it) maybe he is that race.

well remember how mac suddenly realises that jericho said "your world" not "our world" well to me that seems to rule out both druid and berserker also the werewolves, vampires etc. again he moves among the shades and talks to Vlane like an equal. so he's definitely something different, something morei just can't figure out what:33:.

[MeShelle]

well remember how mac suddenly realises that jericho said "your world" not "our world" well to me that seems to rule out both druid and berserker also the werewolves, vampires etc. again he moves among the shades and talks to Vlane like an equal. so he's definitely something different, something morei just can't figure out what:33:.

Well Jo got me into the theory that he might be Fomorian which i now believe it aswell.... If you look towards the begining of the post there is alot of info on Fomorians

[Chakacool]

You knew I was going to do this...:happy0194:

BUT only the Sidhe-seers straight up, No ice...
aka as living myths or any myth altogether.
Adam seemed to dismiss them all so easily.

I don't believe that Adam had any knowledge of NULLS. He specified generic seers. Of the O'Callahan clan...O'Connor clan & those that Gabby listed.

EVEN Queen A was SHOCKED that CIAN, in SPELL, was like NO OTHER DRUID, before or after, anywhere on the face of the earth...
MAC, too can be ONE IN INFINITY...

She wasn't shocked so much as in awe of his skill. Also remember she placed him in the time she wanted him as well. She recognized him as the the one anomly in the Kelter line. See the specifics here. In the Kelter line. That's the important part. As for Mac, she's not the ONE IN INFINITY - Alina was also just like her. The same characteristics. The O'Conners probably continuously produce Nulls. They may not know they're Nulls or have never tested the theory because of the fear of the hunters, but she's not one in infinity.


I'd have to disagree with you on that one (great insight on the other stuff, though!). Adam says specifically that (bolding mine):

"Easy, ka-lyrra; it's because you're a Sidhe-seer that it affects you so," she heard Adam say softly. "[...] Your instincts to guard, to gather your people and flee, are being roused. In ancient days you would have heard us coming on the wind and secreted your villagers away. [...]"

Hence, all Sidhe-seers would feel the exact same foreboding feeling and therefore, so would Mac. Trained of untrained, they would all feel the "terrible magic" in the air and start running and protecting their people.


I have to say that I agree with stormsandsins because it's not possible to have different set of basic traits for each Sidhe-seer. It's not logical or genetically possible. If we look at Gabby as only a sidhe-seer, then we know that she can see and interact with the Fae, Fae magic doesn't work on her, and finally she can hear their language and it makes her want to hide. So then it follows that Mac as a sidhe-seer would have all of those skills as well as the Null characteristics as freezing Fae with her hands and being able to locate and sense the Fae Relics. So the basic characteristics of a sidhe-seer would make it so that she can hear the Fae coming. JB couldn't have used THE Fae tongue, because Mac's basic level skills would have alerted her in the same way as it did Gabby. Also note that as soon as the Dark book was within a few 100 feet Mac knew, she felt it pass, she's super aware of Fae things, you can't just say that it's a Fae tongue JB spoke in to heal her and she just didn't notice.

As for all the Formorian stuff, I'm not accepting of those facts as they don't come from the words that I see Karen write. I may end up whole-heartedly eating my words, but based on what is written I don't see him as anything but as special form of human. Has he been messed around with by the Fae, yes, has he lived a long time, possibly been brought forward, most likely. But all I know of the things he could be are what Karen has alluded to in her books. Could he be the illustrious being that Adam talks about, I say nearly impossible, because also around that I believe Adam states that his race almost believes them to be a myth. So no I don't think he's anything version of a Fae at all.

[Pyxie]

Hey I'm lost what does "Jericho" have to do with being a werewolf?

Oracle posted a thread 'The Barrons Enigma: Etymology' that theroized Jericho Barrons loosely translated means Moon Warrior. (Which I think is brilliant BTW!)

Originally I agreed with Miss Lulu that Jericho Barrons was going to be something other than a druid, something we weren't expecting. Maybe a Vampire or a Werewolf, which would seem plausible with the name Jericho Barrons/Moon Warrior although I was just making a comical observsation that I would be disappointed if he turned out to be a werewolf - a little furry for my tastes.:65:

On that note...
I had not read Spell of the Highlander yet, (just got it Thurs from Amazon and devoured it in less than 24 hrs) Now I am wondering if JB is a Druid because at the end of the book, Queen Aoibheal thinks about her 5 most powerful druids, and having them positioned precisely where she wants them so that they can ally with her and save her?

Now I guess I am just going to have to wait until October and read Bloodfever to find out more about JB. *sighs* October seems forever and a day away right now.

[oracle]

Ooooh I love the depth of the debate. This is the best way to spend the month and week we have left...My internet will be fixed next week and I will join the fray with some theories and detective work, woohoo! Chacakool, I totally agree on your theory above. No Fomorian for me but ah, when BF comes how we may have to eat our words...

[Chakacool]

Ooooh I love the depth of the debate. This is the best way to spend the month and week we have left...My internet will be fixed next week and I will join the fray with some theories and detective work, woohoo! Chacakool, I totally agree on your theory above. No Fomorian for me but ah, when BF comes how we may have to eat our words...

And I'm totally ok with eating my own words. That doesn't bother me at all. :) I just can't find the evidence to support him being Fae, not matter what is found outside of the book. Plus, he touches Mac and Mac touches him, I mean that right there says not Fae.

On that note, I just have to say, I absolutely LOVE the part where he stands astonished at Mac as she's kicking butt and taking Fae names at the end of the book. ---> And thinking of that... that says human to me too. The Fae hardly ever experience surprise. As Adam once said, being around forever, you'll eventually get around to trying everything at least once. So why would JB be shocked at how well Mac was doing...if he knew more about Nulls as it seems V'lane does then he shouldn't have been so surprised.

[MeShelle]

Heres the thing theres evidince that points him to Fae and evidence that says he isnt.... Alot of us will be eating our word when we find out (sad to say but dont think it will BF). But untill we do find out all we could do is go by our gut instinct....... But like i have said before i do believe he is fae not specifically tuatha... Yet for all we know he could be something karen made up all on her own

[miss lulu]

And I'm totally ok with eating my own words. That doesn't bother me at all. :) I just can't find the evidence to support him being Fae, not matter what is found outside of the book. Plus, he touches Mac and Mac touches him, I mean that right there says not Fae.

On that note, I just have to say, I absolutely LOVE the part where he stands astonished at Mac as she's kicking butt and taking Fae names at the end of the book. ---> And thinking of that... that says human to me too. The Fae hardly ever experience surprise. As Adam once said, being around forever, you'll eventually get around to trying everything at least once. So why would JB be shocked at how well Mac was doing...if he knew more about Nulls as it seems V'lane does then he shouldn't have been so surprised.



JB has ego. He thinks he has a barbie oops! And that she is going to F*ck up or just leave. Remeber he thinks he knows it all, so when she starts kicking ass he prediction of her goes out the window= surpise. Also Adam experienced all types of emotion eventhough he was still fae, the Queen A said so. And even she was shock of this and she is 60,000 years old.

So the surpised thing is not a big factor here. Good case though.

[claudia celestial girl]

Wow! I love all this discussion! :2v-vi: Here's my $00.02.



Originally I agreed with Miss Lulu that Jericho Barrons was going to be something other than a druid, something we weren't expecting. Maybe a Vampire or a Werewolf, which would seem plausible with the name Jericho Barrons/Moon Warrior although I was just making a comical observsation that I would be disappointed if he turned out to be a werewolf - a little furry for my tastes.


OK. Spurred on by *Jo*, I went online to look up some stuff about werewolves. Under material about a mythical 'Vilkakis' was notes that a werewolf was a Druid who became a shape-shifter, and channeled 'wolf-like' powers (strength, etc). There was also something about it being a being who was too large for his body, who swelled up his body, and I instantly thought of Mac's constant harping that JZB fillled more than 100% of the molecules of his body.

Anyway, I totally agree with whomever said that we have to use whatever Karen said. It's her universe, so we just have to wait. But I note this because I was not aware that a werewolf could also be a Druid at the same time.

If I remember correctly the notes also said that the Druid got that way by being cursed (because it was a curse) by a god. This type of werewolf doesnot get that way by being bitten by another werewolf. And This type of werewolf does not follow the cycles of the moon. He's a man/beast.

Oh yeah - even though the comment above was funny about a werewolf being too furry - and Mac talks about - who wants a man ruled by his inner dog? - the whole idea is a little bit sexy to me. ;-) Ahoooooo!

ps I found my notes:

A werewolf (also lycanthrope or wolfman) in folklore is a person who shapeshifts into a wolf or wolflike creature, either purposely, by using magic, or after being placed under a curse. Historical legends describe a wide variety of methods for becoming a werewolf, in some cases, the transformation was supposedly accomplished by Satanic allegiance for the most loathsome ends, often for the sake of sating a craving for human flesh. A distinction is often made between voluntary and involuntary werewolves. The former are generally thought to have made a pact, usually with the Devil, and morph into werewolves at night to indulge in mischievous acts. Unlike vampires, werewolves are not harmed by religious artifacts such as crucifixes and holy water. Becoming a werewolf simply by being bitten by another werewolf as a form of contagion is common in modern horror fiction, but this kind of transmission is rare in legend.

Also - it was a Varcolac (a variation of Vilkakis) who, in Romanian/Baltic legend, was a Wizard who became a wolf/demon.

Also - these are just notes! They may help us understand more about the parameters that go into JZB, and that's all!

[claudia celestial girl]

It is by no means clear from these notes (above) that JZB is or is not a werewolf. We have to wait for how KMM defines werewolf in the Fever Universe. It is possible, for example, that McCabe, who we met at Casa Blanc, is the real werewolf. Just like it is possible that we met two vampires already in the Fever Universe - Malluce and Ellis - the character we met briefly at Casa Blanc.

And, by the notes above, there is at least one way that JZB doesn't fit the description - JZB DOES seem to have a problem with religious relics.

But as someone said on this board - I think it was Angela - even his car is a wolf!

[miss lulu]

ps I found my notes:


Also - it was a Varcolac (a variation of Vilkakis) who, in Romanian/Baltic legend, was a Wizard who became a wolf/demon.

Also - these are just notes! They may help us understand more about the parameters that go into JZB, and that's all!

I love how you are now calling Jericho Barrons JZB! Plus, the wolf theory does work in well, but like I have posted up before; I think the guy, Mc? something, is a werewolf from Casa Blanca/ White House. He says to JZB that "It's almost a full moon it gets dangerous around here" something like that was said. He gives me more of a vibe of being one. My reasons:

1. The qoute
2. He lives around open fields (hunting ground)
3. Has a house full of people that seem like his pack. Unlike the vamps house were he had a lot of people there because there were cult followers.

[claudia celestial girl]

I"m not sure I agree with all your reasons, but I never thought about the possibility until you posted it a while ago. Now I am thinking about it all the time. I really really like the idea of McCabe as a werewolf - one of the 'wolves' in the city that JZB (*smirk*) told Mac about! I'm just not ready to believe it yet. Soooo that would imply that in KMM's Fever UNiverse that werewolves run in packs. That would, for sure, make JZB not a werewolf.

But it's hard to know anything. We don't have enough information.

[krstis]

:33:How INTERESTING. All this info puts a whole new light on JB for me. And to think we probably have a wholeyear or more to be pondering as the rest of the story unfolds.....

[Pyxie]

:33:How INTERESTING. All this info puts a whole new light on JB for me. And to think we probably have a wholeyear or more to be pondering as the rest of the story unfolds.....

I was just thinking that myself! I don't think we are going to get all the answers we want about JB from Bloodfever...just more questions. I bet JB's story is going to take a while to unfold.