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    All right guys, bear with me, this is my first post:)



    I was rereading the Darkfever book and I noticed some things which made me think of a theory.



    What if there was an ancient prophecy of a Sihde-seer who would be born with all powerful Sidhe-seer talents who will wield the Spear and would avenge all the Fae breaking the Compact.



    Humans are so vulnerable, especially now, they cannot even see their enemies, it is so EASY for the Fae to use them as cattle, to kill them. The killing and slaughtering is increasing dramatically as the Unseelie prison opens and the human worlds is completely oblivious. Dani also mentions to Mac that her mother was killed by a Seelie and that few of the Fae have honored the Compact. if there was a prophetetic hero, the time is ripe for her appearance, she will save, protect, and avenge the human race!



    We may have not been privy to the prophecy yet, KMM may have withheld it from us as it would tell us too much.



    However, If there IS a prophecy of a powerful avenging Sidhe-seer (SS) who will punish the Fae, and the Fae KNOW of it, than they would want to kill this SS (remember V'Lanes fear when he first saw it in her hands at the museum?). That could be why the mother of Alina and Mac hid her girls in a small town, remember all the stipulations of the adoption contract? She knew her daughters had the powers and were fulfilling the prophecy and hid them from Fae who would destroy them. THAT is why Mac is EPIC. It is interesting that there are TWO weapons to kill the Fae, a Sword and a Spear. Maybe Alina is NOT dead and the girl in the alley was a Fae illusion to fool humans that she was dead. Maybe the Sword is meant for her....Maybe she is being kept somewhere...



    Also, when Mac and JZB steal the Spear from O'Bannion....JZB talks about all the powerful rulers who have had the Spear and that they believed it was the source of their true powers. Mac states she is going to keep the Spear and the book says something like "Barrons stared broodingly at the spear with dark eyes and then said "it was for you all along Ms. Lane" Perhaps the Spear was created a millia ago specifically for Mac, the powerful Sidhe-seer of prophecy who would avenge the cruelty of the Fae toward humans... Than, the Spear truly IS Mac's. After all, the only thing to kill a Fae is the Spear and the Sword. Also, when Mac points at the Spear in O'Bannions underground vault, Barrons says something like "F---! (slams his fist in the wall) I didn't even see it! F---! Are you sure that's it?" What a reaction! I think that the prophecy might state that the Spear is for the avenging SS and that this confirms his suspicions of what she is (and obviously does not want her to be).



    When JZB demanded Fio look up Macs ability and she said something like "you know what she is Barrons.." and he said, "that's a myth..." he might have been not referring only to the rare Null ability but also to her being the prophetic SS-a myth perhaps foretold of a millennia ago... Also, she has been told many times she does not know what she is, and Barrons at the end of Darkfever, laughed and said "Mac, What a name for WHAT you are..." By then he is convinced.



    Also, remember in one of the books JZB Voices Mac and asks her what she is, and she finally say's "I am VENGENCE," I assumed she meant vengeance for her sister, but he seemed very satisfied with her answer, as if it confirmed something. I also believe the prophecy reveals some of what the SS (Mac) will have to go through and that is why JZB does not want it to be her, or maybe the prophecy says something that makes JZB believe he can never have Mac and this upsets him because he greatly desires her. It could explain his hot and cold attitude towards her. It may also explain why he allowed her to stay in Dublin at the end. It could even explain his part in the entire plot, for it is interesting that his middle name means "punished or punisher." Maybe JZB was even alive still when this prophecy came about and he is meant to find and the SS prophesized so that she can complete her mission to avenge, that may explain why he's always telling her he WILL NOT let her die. Hmmm...I believe KMM will reveal this prophecy to us in time...maybe....



    Also, a little off here, but there is evidence that JZB becomes the large intimidating Shade, it is the only one after all that is acting sentient...maybe that is his punishment....perhaps he was someone very important in the past and was punished by becoming the lowliest of the Fae, perhaps he must shift into a Shade at certain times. Maybe he was trying to not shift into the Shade when he was in O'Bannion's presence which could explain his powerful preoccupation that Mac sensed. If so, than it was he who killed O'Bannion, (as a Shade that is). Also, when V'lane rescues Mac from the large Shade in the BB & B the book says Mac can sense the Shade's anger towards V'lane as V'lane tries to convince her to take the Cuff he has offered in the past. It would be ironic if the Cuff protects Mac from JZB or stops him from being able to touch or be around him....hmmmm....just a thought. Also, it is always JZB who is refusing to believe that the Shades are sentient and tries to convince Mac of it regardless of what she tells him otherwise. He certainly doesn't downplay other info she gives him regarding other Unseelie and Seelie Fae. Also, that could be what held him back from rescuing Mac earlier when she was abducted by Malluce in the second book...He was a Shade and could not come to her, and he also could not escort her home which would have stopped the abduction in the first place if he was stuck in the Shade form. It could be something....or not....



    Thanks for listening; it felt good to get that off my chest!
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    Very interesting post.

    Also...WELCOME!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkcrow View Post
    Fantastic post - I love your theory about the prophecy and Mac. I've wondered about Mac being Vengeance and Barons being the Punisher. In regards to your Alina part of the theory, I do think she's gone for good, but I think maybe Dani will turn out to be some sort of replacement and the sword is now for her? The night the two of them go out fighting together is almost like a foreshadowing..



    I've always thought that there needs to be something the SS's have forgotten about killing fae. It just seems ridiculous that there are so many of them yet only a maximum of 2 at any one time can be killing fae - it just doesn't make sense, if that was the case, you'd think we'd have more of a Buffy scenario, with the one chosen one (or, in this case, chosen two - which of course could be Mac and Alina, but why have all these other SS's?)

    Also, do we know if any of the other SS have powers, other than Dani?
    It mentions somewhere that some sidhe seers have special skills. We know that Mac can sense hallows and is a null which is very rare. Dani is super fast. There is no telling what other special skills are out there but I'm sure there are more sidhe seers out there that have special skills. The passage book made it seem like there are other types of special skills that sidhe seers can have as well.

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    Welcome and AMAZING first post! you should be proud.
    anyway i LOVE the facts that you point out here! i am def one of the believers that there is a prophecy specifically about Mac, and you hit the spot with what I was thinking about!
    And all the clues leading to the fact that Barrons knows... I DEF believe that, especially with how he left Mac all alone, but gave her the choice and free will to choose her destiny on the last night of blood fever.
    yes! finally! someone who thinks like me! i love it!
    good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkcrow View Post
    Fantastic post - I love your theory about the prophecy and Mac. I've wondered about Mac being Vengeance and Barons being the Punisher. In regards to your Alina part of the theory, I do think she's gone for good, but I think maybe Dani will turn out to be some sort of replacement and the sword is now for her? The night the two of them go out fighting together is almost like a foreshadowing..



    I've always thought that there needs to be something the SS's have forgotten about killing fae. It just seems ridiculous that there are so many of them yet only a maximum of 2 at any one time can be killing fae - it just doesn't make sense, if that was the case, you'd think we'd have more of a Buffy scenario, with the one chosen one (or, in this case, chosen two - which of course could be Mac and Alina, but why have all these other SS's?)

    Also, do we know if any of the other SS have powers, other than Dani?
    Thanks Sharkcrow! You are probably right about the Dani thing, I thought there was a bit of foreshadowing there also. Plus, we do not know who her mother was. She said her mom was dead but, hmmm, do we even know her last name? I know Mac was told all the O'Conners were dead (except herself) though none of the other SS's know she's an O'Conner yet, though i am sure Rowena suspects. I was completely surprised by Dani's talent of superfast speed, it seemed so...i don't know...non-SS i guess. Most SS talents seem to be of the brain, detecting and sensing. But than there was Mac's fighting scene in the warehouse where she "feels" herself becoming this incredible fighting machine, instincts she never knew just jumping to the front...I LOVE that scene by the way....

    Also, remember in Bloodfever, when Mac finds out that there is an organized group of SS's and she wonders if maybe she has family left, maybe even a....sister. It was kinda written like that also, very suggestive, perhaps abit of foreshadowing by KMM regarding Dani & Mac's future relationship. Mac has certainly felt a kinship with Dani right from the start. I think you ARE on to something there Sharkcrow!!

    Also, I missed that part about there being something the SS's had forgotten over time, I will probably stumble over it as reread the series in prep for DrFever. VERY interesting. I ALSO have always thought it OFF that the humans and SS have NO DEFENSE from the Fae except for the FAE Hallows the Spear and Sword. Plus, the SS have to obtain the items first before they can be used. It looks as if the to Seelie Hallows have FINALLY fallen into SS hands, but over the millinia they have NOT been. Until shortly, the Seelie Queen had the Sword. I would bet if there was a prophecy regarding an avenging SS (maybe two?) and the Sword and Spear, than the Fae have been carefully sequestering the Hallows to keep them AWAY from the SS's.

    Back to the fact that the SS's have forgotten something very important...How intriguing. I DOES seem strange that only two of them would be able to kill the Fae IF they both had the Sword and Spear, yet there are so many others. Hmmm. Besides, how will just too SS's be able to kill the thousands of Fae? There could definitely be something there. It will be so great to finally meet some of the other SS's and to find out their talents. I think Mac has many talents besides the obvious stated ones.

    Mac's talents:
    Null; OOP detector; Sight-foreshadowing:remember her dreams about the lady and the visions she has regarding Dublin as she looksover the city from her window; Deep thinking: remember her wordless conversations with JZB and her success at mentally telling him "NO" when he was going to tattoo her; portal detecting: the "push-pull" feeling she got that drew her to the dolman in the warehouse; fighting skills

    Please add more talents if you can think of them!

    Also, the first time I read Dark fever I just skimmed over the part where she discovers that ball of ancient glowing power within herself, but as I read it this time it became quite significant. How cool to have that in herself! It looks as if it is very powerful also.

    Well, I have gone on & on, time to stop...

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    Oh, real quick before I forget it. I remember noting JZB's comments regarding the leader of the SS's. Remember when he takes Mac to the cemetary at a church which was built over the site of an ancient SS meeting place of power which had been presided over by the Grand Mistress of the SS's herself (I forgot the exact title he gives her). Mac questions if there is a Grand Mistress still and JZB says something about the SS's have probably carefully gaurded the line which has the Grand Mistresses in it. That makes me think that there was a specific family of powerful SS's who led the SS's. This could have been Mac's family.

    Remember, Mac's mother Patrona led the SS's up to 20 years prior when she was killed, perhaps the O'Conner family was the one that has always led and been the most powerful. Maybe the O'Conner family specifically is mentioned in the prophecy and there was a powerplay by the Fae to eradicate the O'Conner family completely before the wall between the UnSeeie prison fell. Those Fae who wanted the wall to be down maybe knew of the prophecy. They knew their plans to bring the wall down and rule earth depended on stopping the prophecy from ever coming to fruition...and the best way to do that would be to kill every O'Conner alive. This could explain A LOT of why the Girls were hidden, perhaps even BEFORE Patrona's death since she knew what was coming. It was a plan to fool the Fae that the powerful SS family had been eradicated completely. Maybe the SS's greatest gaurded secret at this time is that the O'Conner famuily WASN"T eliminated. Maybe Rowena also gaurds this secret and she isn't as bad as we think. Perhaps, Dani is a long lost cousin or sister of the O'Conner family who has recently joined the SS's herself, an unknown O'Conner....Remeber Mac senses that Dani is a kindred spirit to herself in that she trusts no one. That her aliances are not firmly in Rowena's camp. If she had grown up in the SS enclave, she probably wouldn't be so untrusting...

    So much to think about!

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    I just posted something similar to your Row idea.... i think Ro is not on the up and up... i am SURE she knows way more than she is telling about Mac.. and i also think she was involved in the SD being "lost" ... if not by giving it to someone then by orchestrating its "escape" ... power hungry? maybe... under the SD's control?... maybe... working with LM?... maybe... nasty personal vendetta against all Fae?... maybe...

    20ish years ago:
    the SD was lost....

    Mac and Alina were put up for adoption with bizzare stipulations... AND

    Rowena takes over the SS and changes all the rules (such as how council members are chosen)....


    coincidence i think NOT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caranp View Post



    What if there was an ancient prophecy of a Sihde-seer who would be born with all powerful Sidhe-seer talents who will wield the Spear and would avenge all the Fae breaking the Compact.



    Thanks for listening; it felt good to get that off my chest!

    Or the prophecy says a great sihde-seer human (Mac) with join forces with a great fae mix creature thing (Barrons) and set the world back in balance. Of course once they do that, there is still a lot of clean up to day....Karen future books.

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    Very nice theories! I do think Mac will turn out to be " Queen of the sidhe seers" Barrons is more powerful then a shade I still think he is the unseelie kings son (from his human mistress). The books say a few places that he is not human.

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    Good theory, Caranp!

    Now let's fit Rowena into it -- from the standpoint of R. knowing about this prophecy and trying to have Mac killed or discredited to maintain her own position and authority at the Abby.

    The plot thickens.....

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    Thumbs up Rowena

    Remember how bitter Rowena seems with the status of the SS's now: they are forgotten and unknown by humans, they have no great status like in the past. She says when the SS's were needed BEFORE the Compact, the sidhe seers would arrive into town with much rejoicing and that they would be given the best accomodations and pick of all the best men (NICE!). She seems bitter about the lost status. Perhaps she took over the SS's 20 years ago, helped the Fae stage the eradication of the O'Conners. Maybe she herself WANTS the curtain to come down and the Compact null and void so that SS's are once again needed and have the power and status they were once accorded...if so, than I hope she doesn't discover the identity of Mac.

    Maybe Dani knows this too, maybe she herself was hidden from Rowena because she was an O'Conner also. It will be interesting to finally hear the history on what happened 20 years ago, how many O'Conners died, whether Patrona had a sister who was suposedly killed but in reality staged her death and hid away to finally have Dani, but was eventually killed by a Seelie (this is what Dani said happened to her mother). So Dani was alone in the world and made her way to Dublin and was drawn into the SS headquarteres (Dani told Mac it was spelled to draw in those of their kind, Rowena was "gathering" them). Who knows if Dani was told of the of past duplicity of Rowena and her own O'Conner heritage of if her mother never told her to protect her...

    This could explain why Rowena never helped Mac initially when she saw her in the cafe eating- she mentioned that Mac looked like an O'Conner. By not helping such an obvious novice she wanted Mac to BE KILLED by the Fae who would notice her stares. Over and over Mac has asked why she wouldn't help her the first two times Rowena saw her, and Row always insists it's because she herself didn't want to be exposed. But could there be an ulterior motive?...Row didn't know for sure, but suspected Mac was an O'Conner and wanted her eliminated justy in case. Hmmm.

    Some of you have mentioned in this thread that Rowena may have also released the SD into the world. That fits. Maybe she released the SD to accelerate the human's need of the SS again, who knows. That would make sense if she is trying to establish the status of the SS again. If so, what a wicked, power-hungry woman.

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